LGBT in Progressive Rock

dennismoore wrote: M27Barney wrote: I have felt the cold shoulder of ostracisation - on this very same site - all I did was mention that I had worn womens clothing for the purposes of raising money for charities noble - and I reckon a few have deemed me too deviant too bother with any more......Even If I spent whole weekends with a red dress, red stilletos & a foxhead on - would that make me a dangerous person to chat on a forum with? This is a pretty rough thread though.  One can get attacked from both sides, in a rather nasty fashion.  So don't take it personally...

Geez, it has been. I feel sorry for poor Anal. He had rightwingers attacking him for being pro gay and LGBT crusaders attacking him for not being pro-gay with enough vehemence. One learns in time that you can never reason with a zealot, regardless of creed, orientation, etc. Even if you try to agree wit ha zealot, if you don't do it in the exact same thought process they use your still wrong, and not only that, but a bad person too.

M27Barney wrote: I have felt the cold shoulder of ostracisation - on this very same site - all I did was mention that I had worn womens clothing for the purposes of raising money for charities noble - and I reckon a few have deemed me too deviant too bother with any more......Even If I spent whole weekends with a red dress, red stilletos & a foxhead on - would that make me a dangerous person to chat on a forum with? Anyway in terms of this post - Robert John Godfrey & Francis Lickerish were both openly gay and in a relationship for a long period - apparenty the band name "The Enid" was derived from the imaginary girlfriend that RJG had to invent to appease his mum & dad.....

I know Robert John Godfrey is gay, but Francis Lickerish is not. He's married to a woman named Helen, and I think him leaving The Enid had to do with his divorce from his wife back then, who he was married to during most of his time with The Enid.

I have felt the cold shoulder of ostracisation - on this very same site - all I did was mention that I had worn womens clothing for the purposes of raising money for charities noble - and I reckon a few have deemed me too deviant too bother with any more......Even If I spent whole weekends with a red dress, red stilletos & a foxhead on - would that make me a dangerous person to chat on a forum with?

Edited by M27Barney - November 08 2012 at 14:39

PFM and Banco are from England too, right....................^

Ha, finally went back and reread this old thread. It was nice of Phideaux to come in and add some perspective. Thanks, man.

Why do people always argue about being gay being a choice or natural?

You know I've never watched the Ellen show before or after she came out because I could care less.  Always loved her stand up though and I'm pretty sure the show wasn't all about sexuality.  Not having seen the show I'm pretty sure every episode was not about her being gay.  You want prurient interest?  Let's talk Married With Children and The Family Guy.  

What Phideaux's initial comments reminded me of a story I heard Nichelle Nichols tell.  She met Martin Luther King when she was doing the original Star Trek and was told him she was thinking about quitting and he told her she couldn't because it was the first to show a black person in a position of authority.

Phideaux wrote: Epignosis wrote: Frankly, I'm tired of hearing people's sexual preferences.  I don't care.  I don't know how it is in other countries, but I'm tired of looking at the news to find out so-and-so is gay, or that so-and-so is denying being gay.  Why are we so interested in this?  I'm certainly not.  My favorite female comedian is Ellen DeGeneres.  She is hilarious.  However, it kind of annoys me that she takes her homosexuality on her show.  It puts me off.  At the same time, I'm very sorry we even live in a country that dictates what is and isn't a marriage. I think that's part of the point though, Epig (and I have since read the whole thread to learn that you are against homosexuality on moral grounds).  You don't need to hear about people's sexual preference because your preference is the default.  Some people who are "other" feel alone (which heterosexuals don't feel because they are the norm).  So, those who feel "other" feel comfort in knowing that there are other "other" people like them.  The quantity of kisses and looks and hearts and roses on TV for hetero people are uncountable.  That's why LGBT want to see some representation of themselves on a show, like Ellen, or whoever.  There is growing evidence that gayness is genetic and if that is true then there are tiny babies being born who are predestined to become gay and they will need positive role models as well.

My post here was referencing the preoccupation with homosexuality by heterosexuals (most of the people who watch Ellen, for example, are not gay).  This isn't about some need to find people similar to us- it's a prurient interest in gossip and speculation.  And does ABC even know how to produce a show without sexuality becoming a highlight?  It's become cliche, hasn't it?

CCVP wrote: I've never seen any of those "scientists" going through any competent interviewer as I've seen the others that claim that hormones and social background / experiences. i'm not ruling out the possibility, I'm just way more skeptical about genetic  "evidence" of gayness; after all, we've all been hearing that science is on the "brink of discovering" the genetic reason for homosexuality for the past 15 years or so and, besides, it does not explain why women are homosexual.

How long have they been able to search for genes for any "thing" or disease?  How much money is thrown into research into these ideas?  It is a very new field.  It has only become possible with the genome project and sequencing of the human genetic code.  Although people have identified broken chromosomes and genetic diseases, it's only quite recently that they've undertaken to explain characteristics via genetics.  Give them time.

However, since "gayness" exists in the nature and in the animal kingdom, it hardly makes sense that it comes about entirely by "choice" and "environment".  And, it is certainly possible that there is a genetic basis for female homosexuality as well. 

Yes, but what you believe or don't believe isn't the issue.  Our modern view of the favourability of things is immaterial.  Homosexuality has existed since the dawn of time.   We can't know what he did or didn't do.  However, the bulk of evidence points to Leonardo being gay, and most scholars agree (whether he was practicing or not) it was his most likely his orientation.  Of course, that makes sense since he was such a sensitive and unique genius. 

and by the way, re> Mona Lisa

team of researchers from the Italian national committee for cultural heritage are claiming that Da Vinci’s “Mona Lisa”, the most famous painting in the world, was inspired by the artist’s male apprentice Salai. The pair are said to have had an “ambiguous” relationship and were probably lovers said Silvano Vincenti, chairman of the committee.

The effeminate young artist, whose real name was Gian Giacomo Caprotti, is thought to have served as a muse for other Da Vinci masterpieces, like “St.John the Baptist” and the “Angel Incarnate”. Comparisons between the characters in these works, and the characteristics of the Mona Lisa reveal striking similarities.

Edited by Phideaux - June 19 2012 at 00:21