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Matti 
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MB without a question.
It was predictable they won't win one of the biggest classic prog bands, but coming even that close is marvelous and proves how many admirers they have here. |
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Before I now returned to PA forums (after a very long break), I joined for a while Discogs' forums, but now it's so good again to meet very Prog knowledgeable people who are eager to "talk" and debate as well, thank you.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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David_D
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Posted: November 03 2021 at 02:29 |
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 richardh wrote:"if you just take the debut The Barbarian - Heavy Prog (Hendrix and Psychedelic influenced) Take A Pebble - Jazz/Symphonic Knife Edge - Psychedelic rock The Three Fates - Symphonic/Jazz Tank - Jazz Rock/Electronic Lucky Man - Folk/Psychedelic/Electronic So she has a point but ELP were a hard band stylistically to pin down. They were 'messy' as I assert or if you are being kind then 'eclectic' as JD suggests!" Edited by David_D - November 03 2021 at 02:32 |
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richardh
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Posted: November 03 2021 at 01:56 |
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if you just take the debut The Barbarian - Heavy Prog (Hendrix and Psychedelic influenced) Take A Pebble - Jazz/Symphonic Knife Edge - Psychedelic rock The Three Fates - Symphonic/Jazz Tank - Jazz Rock/Electronic Lucky Man - Folk/Psychedelic/Electronic So she has a point but ELP were a hard band stylistically to pin down. They were 'messy' as I assert or if you are being kind then 'eclectic' as JD suggests!
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David_D
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Posted: November 01 2021 at 11:58 |
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Concerning MB, I like quite a lot Days of Future.. and I find it just an amazing achievement in 1967, and surely very important Prog pioneering album.
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David_D
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Good to hear that opinion.
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Thank you for supporting independently produced music
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^ Apparently, when Aaron Copland heard ELP's 'Fanfare for the Common Man' he liked it but couldn't understand why Keith stuck a modal jazz solo in it. That's why we love 'em, eh readers?
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Some more about ELP, I've heard a lot of times the opinion that the band wasn't very original in terms of it's relation to Classical music, but once a friend of mine, who was trained Classical musician, heard some of the typical ELP and she meant that it was very much based on Jazz . So now, I'm even not sure if the classification of ELP as Symphonic Prog is correct.
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richardh
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I don't bar very few bands. ELP were hard if not near impossible to replicate
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Ok, I decided to vote anyway and for the Moody Blues but it turns out I already voted for them a while ago.
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I like both, but I chose The Moody Blues. Their 7 albums in the classic period are still very listenable and enjoyable, and still amazing as far as songcraft (with songs from 4 band members, Hayward, Lodge, Thomas and Pinder). ELP, for all their technical expertise are often cold and dependent on classical compositions that, no matter how well they are played, are still borrowed from other composers.
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10 years later both are still among my favorite bands, but I go with ELP now.
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What I mean is, when I hear typical Prog, I hear allmost more in it of ELP than of King Crimson or Yes.
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There are so many reasons. I've been listening to the Out Of The World box set of their classic live shows over the weekend and they were an incredible live band. However they were all over the shop in terms of putting together anything remotely coherent . I do think they achieved something special with Brain Salad Surgery but it still wasn't enough to satisfy many people. In part this may have been due to Dark Side of The Moon. Music was moving on from the 'messy bands' like ELP too 'cleaner' better organised prog bands. Fact remains though that very few bands of any genre at the time 1970-1974 could live with ELP when they were right on it. Sadly the truth gets lost over time unless you take the time to go back and listen to those performances. The Isle Of Wight performance is still outstanding for its sheer ferocity and power. No wonder so many other bands were annoyed at them!
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Neither are a top tier group for me but both have songs that really click for me. The Moodies 'classic 7' albums have some really questionable lyrics at time and the production is not really to my liking on some. ELP loses me when Emerson or Palmer go way overboard. The vocalists for both albums are great. Since we have to pick one, going with the Moddies.
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Hi,
Weird how times change. Today, I would vote for ELP, and in many ways, I got Rachel Flowers to thank for that as to how she showed many of us, what great compositions ELP had that could not be done acoustically in those days, because it was all about the far out show. Or worse, if you were an 19 year old and showed your professor of music your Tarkus composition and called it a piano concerto (a la Rachel), you would get laughed off and probably immediately get a C on your course! That is was developed into what we know in the album, shows something about the time and the place, but also, the creativity that the 3 members used to bring up the material they put together. By comparison, while I was into the Moodies since their first (second?) album with that orchestra and that huge hit song (Nights in White Satin), however, I always felt that the poetic stance they had taken in the earlier days, kinda got left behind and then it became about being cool, and not exactly poetic. Some of the later albums were still nice, however, they did not have the beauty and the design that their most important album did. By comparison, Keith Emerson's work with ELP, is getting played in orchestras and shown to be quite well composed and valuable. Not to mention that it will also bring us to the concert, when we simply don't care for Beethove, or Tchaikovsky as much anymore! Today, I would have a hard time voting, knowing that Keith's music has been shown to be a lot more than just a rock song with idiosyncratic this and that to show some fun on the stage. The Moodies is not exactly thought of that way, even though Tuesday in the Afternoon, would be a wonderful piece to be played by an orchestra!
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I don't like these binary polls. For me it would be both equally or maybe MB but I'm not going to vote.
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^ Strange bedfellows indeed. Although ELP are every bit the stiff honky gammon technocrats, they sound like Funkadelic compared to the Moody Blues.
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Posted: October 30 2021 at 12:48 |
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Apples and oranges. I'll go with oranges.
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