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    Posted: March 09 2011 at 09:39
i think that if I had to make music to earn a living I would end up hating it. C'mon playing in a church 3 times a week. I'd have to be drunk to do that. As the blog states working musicians don't always get to play what they want. When I asked  local blues guitar legend Jimmy James about why he did a TV gig with Céline Dion and he evaded the question.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2011 at 08:41
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Good article: http://oneworkingmusician.com/what-it-really-means-to-be-a-working-musician

Unfortunately it only applies to well-developed Western countries, but still.
Cripes! $1000-$3000 for a band to play at a wedding Shocked ... I'll give my daughter $3000 to elope. LOL
 
Nice blog though. There is the distinction between making a living as a musician and making a living from your music. Several musicians I know who make their living as a musician do so by teaching or working in music shops - their music, (their "art"), is still a hobby, regardless of what their day-job is. In that respect a Prog Artist who's primary income is not their Prog Music is not making a living from Prog - whether their day job is in a wedding band or selling life insurrance.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 09 2011 at 08:18
Good article: http://oneworkingmusician.com/what-it-really-means-to-be-a-working-musician

Unfortunately it only applies to well-developed Western countries, but still.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 03 2011 at 14:50
Originally posted by clarkpegasus4001 clarkpegasus4001 wrote:

I have been told that the Yes tribute band called Fragile are very good, I must try to get to see them.

Indeed they are wonderful!  Here's the first bit of "Revealing Science of God" to give you a taste, seek them out on YouTube:


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 02 2011 at 15:44
You gotta check out Parallells doing Perpetual Change complete with kick ass drum solo and chick vocals. One of the best Yes covers I've seen. Seriously.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2011 at 23:53
I have been told that the Yes tribute band called Fragile are very good, I must try to get to see them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 01 2011 at 23:08
Originally posted by FunkyM FunkyM wrote:

Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Funny CSTAK3 mentions The Musical Box from my hometown, Montréal. I've seen them twice and concur that I would rather see these guys rather than the real Genesis. I saw them do Foxtrot & Trick Of The Tail and the guy who did Philly was very convincing. Philly even sat in with them once and said afterwards that they played the material better than Genesis were playing it. I think hackett also played Firth Of Fifth with them at The Royal Albert Hall once. What's so great about these re-enactments is that they often play at venues that are more intimate. Genesis' early shows were presented in small theatres so this is something you won't see the real Genesis do ever again. I sawthem at the big O in front of 60,000 people and the whole thing was a monumental catastrophe. Atrocious.


I saw them last summer at Bluesfest in Ottawa and they were outstanding. They had a pretty decent crowd too. Plus, the lead singer even looked a little bit like Phil Collins from the 70's with his beard. Wink

Yeah, he did!  The concert reviewer for the Chicago Tribune mentioned that also.  GREAT show!  

Does PA have a forum topic going for prog tribute bands?  I couldn't find one.  There are quite a few, especially in the UK.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2011 at 17:33
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Funny CSTAK3 mentions The Musical Box from my hometown, Montréal. I've seen them twice and concur that I would rather see these guys rather than the real Genesis. I saw them do Foxtrot & Trick Of The Tail and the guy who did Philly was very convincing. Philly even sat in with them once and said afterwards that they played the material better than Genesis were playing it. I think hackett also played Firth Of Fifth with them at The Royal Albert Hall once. What's so great about these re-enactments is that they often play at venues that are more intimate. Genesis' early shows were presented in small theatres so this is something you won't see the real Genesis do ever again. I sawthem at the big O in front of 60,000 people and the whole thing was a monumental catastrophe. Atrocious.


I saw them last summer at Bluesfest in Ottawa and they were outstanding. They had a pretty decent crowd too. Plus, the lead singer even looked a little bit like Phil Collins from the 70's with his beard. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2011 at 15:45
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2011 at 13:19
ATTW3 is great!!! I'd wager audiences would actually like that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 13:51
No No No I meant that the day they do ATTW3 was the day I start boycotting them. Let's just hope they don't get to that point or beyond.Nuke
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 12:33
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 12:21
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

I'm not a big fan of Genesis but I thought The Musical Box were great because they were recreating what Genesis used to be. The performances of older songs during the actual '07 Genesis concert at the Olympic Stadium were dissapointing and it seemed that all they wanted to do was the newer crap. When Musical Box start doing And Then There Were Three that's when I stop going. It would be a cover band selling out ! I'll actually go and see Trick Of The Tail again. They have a smaller more intimate theatre in The Bell Centre which is where Musical Box always play.

I saw them do "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" in Chicago, and the theater went nuts!  They did a marvelous job!   Genesis provided them with original light-show slides & some level of coaching from what I've read.  Nice.

I didn't know they did ATTWT, which I saw the band Genesis perform live (very good show).  I'd love to see their "Selling England" or "Foxtrot" shows!   

How about Yes tributes in Canada?  Benoit David (presently of Yes) came from one, but I hadn't heard of it.   We have some good hard-rock tribs in Chicago (UFO, Zep etc.) but not many prog tribs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 09:19
I'm not a big fan of Genesis but I thought The Musical Box were great because they were recreating what Genesis used to be. The performances of older songs during the actual '07 Genesis concert at the Olympic Stadium were dissapointing and it seemed that all they wanted to do was the newer crap. When Musical Box start doing And Then There Were Three that's when I stop going. It would be a cover band selling out ! I'll actually go and see Trick Of The Tail again. They have a smaller more intimate theatre in The Bell Centre which is where Musical Box always play.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 19:44
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

You couldn't get away with playing Revealing Science Of God in a bar in Montréal. It would be empty. Seriously. There's only crappy Indie bands metal bands as far as bars go Only saw Yes once on the 90125 tour. Almost saw them in Calgary Alberta but the promoter cancelled the show because of sales. I actually called the guy to find out why. He told me that he had just lost his shirt on an ELP concert where he had to comp a few hundered tickets to make it look like there were people in the audience and wasn't about to lose it again !. I think it was the Black Moon tour.


Good Heavens, get thee to a show by the Musical Box!!  They are INCREDIBLE!!  


ANNOUNCING FINAL TRICK OF THE TAIL PERFORMANCES
TORONTO MASSEY HALL MAY 29TH
MONTREAL BELL CENTER JUNE 4TH
OTTAWA BLUESFEST JULY 17TH
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 21 2011 at 15:29
You couldn't get away with playing Revealing Science Of God in a bar in Montréal. It would be empty. Seriously. There's only crappy Indie bands metal bands as far as bars go Only saw Yes once on the 90125 tour. Almost saw them in Calgary Alberta but the promoter cancelled the show because of sales. I actually called the guy to find out why. He told me that he had just lost his shirt on an ELP concert where he had to comp a few hundered tickets to make it look like there were people in the audience and wasn't about to lose it again !. I think it was the Black Moon tour.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 20:32
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Even if I could make a living off of what I play I wouldn't want to.  Too much work and much more fun as a hobby.

Want to start a band?  LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 20:27
Even if I could make a living off of what I play I wouldn't want to.  Too much work and much more fun as a hobby.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 19:20
Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

Ohhhh!! Justin Bieber don't insult our national hero. Just kidding Big smile. What a git is right. sh*t like that really undermines art.

 Liked Saga' s early material but they were sort of overshadowed by Rush with albums like Moving Pictures and Farewell To Kings here. They made a name for themselves in Europe though. I think Tthey then based themselves in California. Will have to check it out. Got to check out Fragile. I like these bands who keep the fire of the past alive but there's nothing worse than a crappy cover version. Should check out Parrallells Yes cover band do Perpetual Change with a chick vocalist complete with drum solo.I think she has since left the band but these guys actually blow Yes away. Seriously. I think the drummer is even better than Alan White. seriously.

Let me introduce you to my friends "Fragile," from the U.K.!  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 18 2011 at 16:51
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by AllP0werToSlaves AllP0werToSlaves wrote:

It's really tricky trying to make money from the actual MUSIC beyond live shows and selling merch, but if you play out a lot and have a decent sized following, you can make quite a bit (if no one is taking a cut, that is!).
...but can you live off those earnings without supplementing it with secondary income (a full-time/part-time non music job)?
 
i.e. can it support a band of five members like the calculation Gerinski showed on page 1? (€2,000 is $2700) - even with four members I think not - that would be $2700 a week or $10,800 a month - which is a lot of gigs and a lot of merchandise. As has already been noted in other threads, no one is living in a Prog happy town or city - even here in the UK where distances between towns are shorter and the towns themselves are larger than the USA, 100-200 people at a Prog gig is pretty average.
 

If you're only playing on one band then yes, supplemental income is necessary. I thought that "full time musician" was understood to be just that; doing whatever it takes to make music your source of income regardless of a job situation. I'd rather play ten gigs a week amongst three different bands and have little free time off the stage than work a 40+ work week and have a set schedule. 

I'm already scraping by as it is right now and I'm actually happier than I was when I was working full time and trying to make music my life. I think that those numbers are an attempt to push a square peg through a circlular hole; most musicians who are serious don't give a damn about how much they make, doing what they love and living within their means is enough. I'd rather be broke and happy than rich and miserable!I am somewhat of an extremist though lol Wink

Most successful musicians in my area have one or two original bands they play in, then a work-horse cover band for raking in extra cash to help out. I'm not opposed to that, either. If you're trying to take over the world like before the internet was musically prominent, then yes you are in for quite the struggle. I think it's actually easier than ever to generate supplemental income via playing live these days.




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