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    Posted: February 09 2011 at 20:59
Hi,
 
I'm ok with the English.
 
Would love to see a few improvements here and there, but that is my preference, and not anything else.
 
In general, getting into the multi-lingual thing is a dead end and horrible. And I have seen translations that are so bad that I wanted to do my own ... including my father's own well known poetry, one play of which I directed went through three translations, and my older sister's was the worst of them all!
 
It's an absolute dead end.
 
But it does mean that many of us that are not American, or English, have to be slower and more dedicated to saying something, but it is a sure thing that Snow Dog or someone else are going to catch your error in the language. It's a wonder he doesn't teach English in the local Salvation Army! Wink
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I am one among more than 450 000 000 native Slavic speakers worldwide, but I would not like to see multilingual reviews here; it's an English-speaking site and I prefer it to stay that way.

The only other language I wouldn't mind to see on ProgArchives is French (even if I don't speak it); it's an official and native language of ProgArchive's founders.



Before 2005, my knowledge of English was on 'Me Tarzan, you Jane' level. I moved abroad and started improving my spoken English, but I started improving my writing skills only after summer of 2006, when I discovered this website and started writing reviews. Today I'm (hopefully) able to express deeper,abstract concepts in written form - and it's entirely ProgArchives' merit. (and I mean it; even if I used other English sources, from books to other web pages, it's ProgArchives who started the avalanche.)





What I want to say is: whether you like it or not, the English is today's lingua franca. If you don't use it properly, it's certainly useful to learn/improve it. No other language can be substituted in it's worldwide role. The non-English prog communities (both musicians and fans) are growing worldwide, and that's great, but Anglo-Saxon superpowers (UK, USA) are still epicentres of prog community and they will most likely remain so in forthcoming years.
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Points: 133 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 30 2011 at 12:23
Originally posted by Xanatos Xanatos wrote:

Segregation? the only segregation here is the people who can make reviews in his lenguage and people who dont , also in the first post i didnt propose a site/forum multilingual , i just want to make reviews multilingual , its terrible that not everybody can put his thoughts on the great prog database of here

Did you know that from the visitors of progarchives.com

Mexico 6.5% come from Mexico
Italy 4.8% come from Italy
Brazil 4.7% come from Brazil
Russian Federation 4.4% come from Russia ?


I'm from Romania and I will probably want beside Spanish or Italian also Romanian. And this is just an example. Like me there are lots of prog fans from lots of different
countries and they will probably want to be able to express themselves more naturally. What will be the benefit of having a small
numbers of reviews in Romanian for the world wide prog community?
Don't misunderstand me I understand your point and I agree that non-English speakers are in a kind of
disadvantage. In the future I hope this language barrier
will disappear. I don't care if we have to use Kobaļan or any other existing or artificially created language.
Internet will probably have a major impact on this.
Beside this, for me, reading the reviews, sometime writing one, it's a great opportunity to exercise my English language skills.
There is always a price being paid for generalization, for switching from particular to general but I think the benefit
counteracts the loss.
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Points: 305 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 24 2011 at 19:20
Segregation? the only segregation here is the people who can make reviews in his lenguage and people who dont , also in the first post i didnt propose a site/forum multilingual , i just want to make reviews multilingual , its terrible that not everybody can put his thoughts on the great prog database of here

Did you know that from the visitors of progarchives.com

Mexico 6.5% come from Mexico
Italy 4.8% come from Italy
Brazil 4.7% come from Brazil
Russian Federation 4.4% come from Russia ?
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2011 at 17:52
Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

I am against multilingual PA. I say that, although my native language is German, and I have not contributed to reviews, yet, because it takes me so much time to write it in a foreign language. So I understand your point. Still I am against it. Why? I see this site as a means to exchange thoughts and to communicate with each other. If several languages were allowed, I see the danger of "segregation": the Spanish group, the German group etc., where the people communicate inside the groups but do not know what is going on in the other. (I mean both in reviews and in the forum.) This would be a pity.

So I use this site further to improve my English. Big smile

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Points: 17651 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 21 2011 at 15:59
Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

I am against multilingual PA. I say that, although my native language is German, and I have not contributed to reviews, yet, because it takes me so much time to write it in a foreign language. So I understand your point. Still I am against it. Why? I see this site as a means to exchange thoughts and to communicate with each other. If several languages were allowed, I see the danger of "segregation": the Spanish group, the German group etc., where the people communicate inside the groups but do not know what is going on in the other. (I mean both in reviews and in the forum.) This would be a pity.

So I use this site further to improve my English. Big smile



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Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

I am against multilingual PA. I say that, although my native language is German, and I have not contributed to reviews, yet, because it takes me so much time to write it in a foreign language. So I understand your point. Still I am against it. Why? I see this site as a means to exchange thoughts and to communicate with each other. If several languages were allowed, I see the danger of "segregation": the Spanish group, the German group etc., where the people communicate inside the groups but do not know what is going on in the other. (I mean both in reviews and in the forum.) This would be a pity.

So I use this site further to improve my English. Big smile



i agree with this, along with other negative effects that this would have on the site/forum.

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Points: 305 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2011 at 15:04
Originally posted by Trouserpress Trouserpress wrote:

I don't understand the need for language restrictions on reviews these days. Why must we force our foreign visitors to cobble together a review in a second or third language or, worse still, feed the thing through an online translation tool? There's nothing worse than trying to read a review written by someone who clearly doesn't have the means to properly express themselves in English - they might as well have not bothered. Whereas, if that reviewer were allowed the freedom to write in their native language the site would be rendered more inclusive and the pages wouldn't be quite so riddled with poorly written reviews. Everybody wins!
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Points: 3658 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 11 2011 at 11:59

Excellent post, Formentera Lady. Excellent !! 

You are spot on. 
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I am against multilingual PA. I say that, although my native language is German, and I have not contributed to reviews, yet, because it takes me so much time to write it in a foreign language. So I understand your point. Still I am against it. Why? I see this site as a means to exchange thoughts and to communicate with each other. If several languages were allowed, I see the danger of "segregation": the Spanish group, the German group etc., where the people communicate inside the groups but do not know what is going on in the other. (I mean both in reviews and in the forum.) This would be a pity.

So I use this site further to improve my English. Big smile
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Points: 5964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2011 at 15:55
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Prog archives on an Aldis lamp.





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Prog archives on an Aldis lamp.
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Edited by Slartibartfast - January 10 2011 at 15:48
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 3658 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2011 at 14:16

There is actually a lot of us here using this site to learn English. Hence; we deserve a recognition as an educational service website. In my case, English is my fifth language. 

Let's keep this website bilingual. B*****cks as spoken in the General Discussions forum and English as spoken in the rest of this forum and website.
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Points: 5964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2011 at 13:20
I don't understand the need for language restrictions on reviews these days. Why must we force our foreign visitors to cobble together a review in a second or third language or, worse still, feed the thing through an online translation tool? There's nothing worse than trying to read a review written by someone who clearly doesn't have the means to properly express themselves in English - they might as well have not bothered. Whereas, if that reviewer were allowed the freedom to write in their native language the site would be rendered more inclusive and the pages wouldn't be quite so riddled with poorly written reviews. Everybody wins!
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 10 2011 at 12:53
Taringa is a website where they post lots, LOTS of links for illegal downloading. I wouldn't really use it s an example of anything. 
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 09 2011 at 21:09
Originally posted by Xanatos Xanatos wrote:

Opinions please?

Please don't bump your thread if you have nothing further to add. It's really annoying and completely pointless.
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Opinions please?
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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Isn't Taringa that website with a gazillion download links? 
Yes an no , the site that i linked is to a community of posters lovers of prog in taringa , Yes taringa most of the time is knowed for beign a downland paradaise , feel free to remove that link if it disturb you
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Isn't Taringa that website with a gazillion download links? 
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