For making this anniversary more memorable i think we need to make the website progress in a new way to make it a more international archives , principally giving the oportunity of supporting new lenguages in reviews , this is a big problem because i am aware of several latin/hispan prog communities that are very active and have a lot of members , and when i ask to this communities why they arent registered in the archives they answer me "we cant make reviews" and "the site is in english".

Just to make and idea here are hispan/latin prog communities like prog archives

In Brazil and Portugal they speak portuguese , In Italy they speak in Italian , Yeah they are somehow latin-based , but they are different lenguages to spanish

Somehow latin based? As much as Spanish is and in Italians case even more so.

 

The decision to make the site English language only was taken by the founders right at the start. It has worked well for us, Interestingly, English is not the first language of either mailto:M@x" rel="nofollow - M@x or Ronnie.  I fully understand the reasoning behind your proposal, but in practical terms it would make the site much harder to run.

 

It is mailto:M@xs" rel="nofollow - M@x's decision at the end of the day, but I suspect he would be hard to persuade now.

I still don't know the answer.

Hahahahahaha! You really need to understand more about how a forum works before you keep posting.

Anyway, I think it would be too ambitious to try to have multilingual reviews. If we do Spanish, why not French, German, and Italian? What about Chinese? Asia is the fastest growing internet market, after all. And then we have to make sure the site is compatible with international characters, make a whole bunch of menu options, and find somebody who can read all the foreign language reviews to ensure they're not stupid. And who would want to join when it will still be a predominantly English site?

It is just an optimistic scenario.

I really doubt that computers will be able to consistently do coherent translations in 3 years. Language is so complex that we're probably going to need processing power bordering on sentient AI before that happens. 

For example, here is both our posts translated into Spanish with Google and then back to English with Babelfish, and then back to English with Google, if you believe Google isn't cheating. This is not just slightly off, that a little more work on algorithms will be able to fix.

 

I've been quite surprised by the way these online translators have improved recently.

 

I hate to say this (but it's parly in jest, coz I like Mandy), but I'm not sure Mandy's Italian texts made any sense in Italian, before he submitted them to translators though... so expecting them to make sense after ... is a little illusory.

Yeah, I was surprised how well translating within Google turned out (I think Babelfish hasn't been updated since the '90s so I'm unsurprised it's nonsense). I thought Google was cheating and remembering what I had already put into it, but I grabbed some text from Spanish Wikipedia and it was around as good, and, although it breaks down more when the language gets artistic or technical (which of course is what we would be focusing on here), I was still shocked by some of the sentences it produced. 

Apparently, this is because, unlike Babelfish, and like Bing, although it's better than Bing's, it guesses at what you probably mean by the statistical distribution of words rather than futilely trying to apply grammar rules. So it is more possible than I initially thought, although I think we're reaching the upper limits of what is possible with current technology. Google claims the current version of Translate is still in Beta, but I don't see how much more they can improve it. Scanning more documents is diminishing returns at this point, maybe they plan to crowd-source the difficult sentences and work with the help of the internet.

However, Google started translate in 2007, so Sean may be right and the problem was on Mandrake's end. Or maybe he just needed to use Google instead of Babelfish, we will never know now.

I do seem to recall seeing a "suggest a better translation" button on it before when doing translations. 

Also i want to clarify that i am not searching a traslate the whole site , i only want to make aviable reviwes in other lenguages , in order to do that i think we only need

1. A option in reviews to specify the lenguage you are writing , and also a system that can organize by

 them differently , a image says more than a 1000 words so i make this poorly edited paint image to explain it

2. A mod  reviewer for every lenguage: Who  speaks/writes the chosen lenguage but also dominates english fluently and preferently that he is a honorary collaborator , in the spanish case i would vote for Cesar Inca

Yes an no , the site that i linked is to a community of posters lovers of prog in taringa , Yes taringa most of the time is knowed for beign a downland paradaise , feel free to remove that link if it disturb you

 This

 

I'm ok with the English.

 

Would love to see a few improvements here and there, but that is my preference, and not anything else.

 

In general, getting into the multi-lingual thing is a dead end and horrible. And I have seen translations that are so bad that I wanted to do my own ... including my father's own well known poetry, one play of which I directed went through three translations, and my older sister's was the worst of them all!

 

It's an absolute dead end.

 

But it does mean that many of us that are not American, or English, have to be slower and more dedicated to saying something, but it is a sure thing that Snow Dog or someone else are going to catch your error in the language. It's a wonder he doesn't teach English in the local Salvation Army!