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    Posted: August 18 2010 at 17:20
Thing I like about Albarn, and you can see it both in Gorillaz and his label Honest Jon's, is that he has no regard for genre. If he likes it, in it goes.
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2010 at 11:44
Here's our Crossover Prog band byron doing a great cover of Gorillaz' Feel Good Inc. in their early days:



And here's a Prince cover while we're at it: http://www.trilulilu.ro/transp/6473977e90779c

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Points: 65760 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 05 2010 at 16:02
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Originally posted by Nerd42 Nerd42 wrote:

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I don't know much about Gorillaz, besides the excellent music videos I've seen.


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Originally posted by Nerd42 Nerd42 wrote:

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Okay . . . and your point is?
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 11:08
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Art-pop is often used to describe pop bands/artists with some progressive leanings (Kate Bush, Dalbello, 10 CC, Peter Gabriel, Tori Amos, David Bowie, late Beatles, Barclay James Harvest, Björk).
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Crossover is prog-mainstream rather than prog-pop, though.

Pop comes from the word 'Popular', which is mainstream. Wink


Wasn't prog popular in its heydays ? Genesis, Yes, ELP, KC all charted back in the seventies. To some extent, you could say that prog rock (not sure the term was used in the seventies), was popular music then.


And I would agree with you. I believe there was even an issue of Melody Maker calling Yes ''The people's band!''. And some Prog is still popular today (Radiohead, Tool, The Mars Volta, Peter Gabriel). But if we are gonna talk about Pop the musical style, I would say the closest thing to 'Prog-Pop' we may have here is Crossover. Since a lot of Xover bands have heavy Pop undertones, it makes the most sense that some of those groups would appeal to the mainstream. 

In other words, I'm saying we don't need a 'Prog-Pop' section on the site. Xover is good enough. 
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Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Crossover is prog-mainstream rather than prog-pop, though.

Pop comes from the word 'Popular', which is mainstream. Wink


Wasn't prog popular in its heydays ? Genesis, Yes, ELP, KC all charted back in the seventies. To some extent, you could say that prog rock (not sure the term was used in the seventies), was popular music then.

"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Yeah I know that, duh. However Textbook was talking about the difference between rock and pop, so when you replied him it looked like you were acknowledging that context, not the sociological one.  Smile

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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Crossover is prog-mainstream rather than prog-pop, though.

Pop comes from the word 'Popular', which is mainstream. Wink
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When I watched their Glastonbury set last night I thought there was definitly some prog in there
 
mostly the fact that all of the songs conveyed a concept rather than just a simple pop song, they used video and light show much in the same way that pink floyd did
 
It seemed much more about the music and not about the showmanship, you could hardly even see the musicians 
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 08:41
Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Objection seems to be that she's not rock and this is a prog "rock" site.
lol then why do we have ELP?


From what I know, ELP is a rock band with some classical music themes here and there.

Remember also that electronic music (which is part of PA cf Ash Ra Tempel, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze...) bears very little in common with rock music, rather with Stockhausen's electro-acoustic experimentations.



Edited by lucas - June 27 2010 at 08:44
"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Crossover is prog-mainstream rather than prog-pop, though.
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Points: 6795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:48
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Objection seems to be that she's not rock and this is a prog "rock" site.
lol then why do we have ELP?
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Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:30
Yeah but Bjork for example is clearly prog-pop but she's still not here. Why? Objection seems to be that she's not rock and this is a prog "rock" site. Crossover seems to be only for rock bands.
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:25
^ We already have Prog-Pop, in a way. It's called Crossover. 
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Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:24

I think the problem here is that Gorillaz aren't even particularly hip-hop. Yes there are elements of hip-hop, especially in production, but it's only tangential. I would call them prog-pop, a genre that doesn't exist on PA and probably shouldn't because it's pop music first, albeit pop with atypical and experimental elements, not prog rock.

There are many other examples of acts I would call progressive hip-hop far before Gorillaz and if you look for some of the recent rap threads in this forum, you'll see me going on about them incessantly.
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Points: 3968 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 17:33

Of course that Prog isn't just about creativity and about being innovative. Would you call Bjork Prog ? Well, she's not here and she will have hell of a time to get here.

What is Prog ? I don't know. Would Gorillaz get here ? No, this time I know it for sure.

You'll learn to think that way sooner or later here.

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They are kinda proggy and innovative.

Again how does prog sound?
 
Tangerine Dream and Marillion are prog but sound very different!
I think Prog is more a way of thinking and doing things than a certain type of sound.
 
If prog is about creativity then Gorillaz is prog.
 
I would say they are 20% prog 80%Hip Hop/ Rap 
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