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They may have taken him by surprise but it looks like he's going to ignore them.
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The people behind Saturday's protest which took the media (and Nick Clegg) by surprise: http://www.takebackparliament.com/
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I fear for my life.

Both the Tories and the LibDems will swallow camels during the next hours and days to make this work in the interest of this country.

Expect to see me in Number 10 soon.............. on a plate.
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It'll be the latter.

To be fair, if they side with the Tories and don't get Electoral Reform, then I will lose all respect for Clegg and the Lib Dems.

They need to push PR.

I almost signed that petition but didn't.  I may still do so...
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Whoops, they only gained one seat in Swindon, my mistake.

Anyhow, are the Lib Dems and that almost hypocritical man Nick Clegg going to screw us over?

I'm not exactly a Lib Dem supporter but at least they're not Tory.  However, a Lib Dem/Tory deal would make me very angry indeed.


Thinking pragmatically for a moment, I'd say it depends entirely on the details of such a deal. If it affords the Lib Dems an opportunity to push through a more progressive agenda on key issues such as taxation, education and political reform then it could be an extremely valuable and positive thing. IF, however, we end up with the Lib Dems propping up an exclusively Tory agenda in exchange for a couple of cabinet posts then I, too, will be very angry indeed. We shall have to wait and see...
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Whoops, they only gained one seat in Swindon, my mistake.

Anyhow, are the Lib Dems and that almost hypocritical man Nick Clegg going to screw us over?

I'm not exactly a Lib Dem supporter but at least they're not Tory.  However, a Lib Dem/Tory deal would make me very angry indeed.
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Wow, Labour actually seemed to do all right in the Council elections.  They even gained two seats in Swindon.

Plus in my Ward, they have overtaken Lib Dems into second place with this years candidate.


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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Cameron has just launched the idea of a LibDem-Tory government and offered it to Clegg. Gosh !!! I thought I had seen it all, but this takes the biscuit. 

Actually, it makes sense. So does space travels. 

It's a lot easier to influence a government when you're in it than it is from the opposition benches. The Lib-Dems may just be able to restrict some of the Tory excesses that we've come to expect and distrust from them - a Tory government with a few liberal socialist brakes and controls isn't such a bad thing..

Exactly my own thinking too............. 
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Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Cameron has just launched the idea of a LibDem-Tory government and offered it to Clegg. Gosh !!! I thought I had seen it all, but this takes the biscuit. 

Actually, it makes sense. So does space travels. 

It's a lot easier to influence a government when you're in it than it is from the opposition benches. The Lib-Dems may just be able to restrict some of the Tory excesses that we've come to expect and distrust from them - a Tory government with a few liberal socialist brakes and controls isn't such a bad thing..
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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Not that it matters much (we'll be having another General Election within 18 months), but Glegg has to go with the side that gives him the greatest slice of power, which is the coalition that has the most commanding majority - a lib-lab coalition will only give a ~10-seat majority - that is not enough to survive a non-confidence vote - siding with the "enemy" will give a 90-seat buffer which will enable Lib-Dem policies and policy-consessions to go through with less rsistance and lower risk of rejection - it will also give the coalition more chance of (not success) but of lasting more than a few months..
 
 


If they cannot decide on any coalition, there could be an election sooner rather than later.  The Tories would probably win an overall majority, I should think.

So a coalition needs to be formed (well, in my opinion, as I'm anti-Tory).

Actually, Dean, even if there is a Lib-Lab pact I am still not sure they'd form a majority.  They'd need the SNP and some others too, to form an alliance.
Oh no doubt, in a re-election the Tories will win outright and they know it, even if Labour have a new leader.
 
The SNP is a socialist party - (though they have been called Tartan Tories Wink). But like the Lib-dems, they will side with whatever party can form a government - there's no point in being part of the shadow government in a coalition.
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Cameron has just launched the idea of a LibDem-Tory government and offered it to Clegg. Gosh !!! I thought I had seen it all, but this takes the biscuit. 

Actually, it makes sense. So does space travels. 
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Not that it matters much (we'll be having another General Election within 18 months), but Glegg has to go with the side that gives him the greatest slice of power, which is the coalition that has the most commanding majority - a lib-lab coalition will only give a ~10-seat majority - that is not enough to survive a non-confidence vote - siding with the "enemy" will give a 90-seat buffer which will enable Lib-Dem policies and policy-consessions to go through with less rsistance and lower risk of rejection - it will also give the coalition more chance of (not success) but of lasting more than a few months..
 
 


If they cannot decide on any coalition, there could be an election sooner rather than later.  The Tories would probably win an overall majority, I should think.

So a coalition needs to be formed (well, in my opinion, as I'm anti-Tory).

Actually, Dean, even if there is a Lib-Lab pact I am still not sure they'd form a majority.  They'd need the SNP and some others too, to form an alliance.
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Winning this election is like being awarded pestilence. I don't think the government and the parliament is in power these days. The market, that's me/you/a man in China/a man in Greece/a farmer in Iowa, is running this country now. And that too is democracy. I am actually influencing the UK elections too when I buy a two liter bottle of Pepsi Max instead of a bottle of Coca Cola. It is a matter of pennies ending up in this and that hedgefund who then again lend the money back again to UK.

The big day is coming next Friday when the UK debt crisis is getting worse and may lead to a meltdown of the UK finances. 

I think I will watch Yes Minister tonight instead of worrying about my job. I am not a front-line worker and therefore; I am an endangered animal. 


 

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Not that it matters much (we'll be having another General Election within 18 months), but Glegg has to go with the side that gives him the greatest slice of power, which is the coalition that has the most commanding majority - a lib-lab coalition will only give a ~10-seat majority - that is not enough to survive a non-confidence vote - siding with the "enemy" will give a 90-seat buffer which will enable Lib-Dem policies and policy-consessions to go through with less rsistance and lower risk of rejection - it will also give the coalition more chance of (not success) but of lasting more than a few months..
 
 


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Also, I am also pleased that Caroline Lucas got elected.  However, not so with Mr. Goldsmith.
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I actually quite like Gordon Brown but I am looking at it from a Labour viewpoint.  It's potentially best for him to stand-down.

I don't think he will, mind you.

However, Clegg has staunchly said he cannot work with Brown in a coalition but would likely join them if Brown wasn't their leader.

And yes, I'd stop voting Lib Dem (who I voted for on the council elections, as they run second to the Tories in my Ward and a Labour vote there is pointless) too if they joined forces with the Tories.

I spent the evening watching the election at a someone's house and they were all Anti-Tory, Lib Dem voters.  So if the Lib Dems joined forces with the Tories, that's potentially a lot of anti-Tory Lib Dem voters lost.  So it's a bad thing for Clegg to do... if he actually has a soul.  Of course, it'd give him more power and if it's greed he wants, then of course a deal with the Tories is beneficial to him.

This is a disaster yet still better than a Tory overall majority.


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Originally posted by James James wrote:

Oh and I still only know a few people who voted Tory.  So I have no idea where all these closet Tories are coming from...


Older generations and different social strata, James. I don't personally know ANYONE who voted Tory (except for my grandparents) but that doesn't mean to say they aren't out there!

I agree with you about a Lab-Lib coalition with a change at the top for Labour being the most desirable outcome, but that would be HUGELY controversial, to say the least. After 3 much-hyped presidential type debates, do you really think the British electorate will want to see a completely different Prime Minister to the three potentials sold to them during the election? You and I might not mind so much, but I think we'd be squarely in the minority there.

A Conservative/Lib Dem coalition is unlikely, I think. The sticking point will be electoral reform - something the Lib Dems know Labour are willing to move towards compromising on, and something the Tories more or less reject wholeheartedly. IF, however, such a coalition does happen then the Lib Dems have lost my vote for many elections to come.
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Oh and I still only know a few people who voted Tory.  So I have no idea where all these closet Tories are coming from...
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