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Jazzywoman
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Topic: Who invented prog? Posted: October 28 2010 at 16:47 |
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The Mothers of Invention. |
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Jörgemeister
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 11:42 |
The vikings, 105 years BC
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 11:18 |
Also Symphonic Prog IMHO.
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 11:10 |
^ Symphonic Rock - yes, Symphonic Prog - perhaps not.
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 10:42 |
Still I believe that
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Both released in 1968, and IMHO the first Symphonic albums.
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Posted: October 28 2010 at 02:37 |
Ronnie Pilgrim wrote:
BaldJean wrote:
I also think that "In the Court of the Crimson King" was the first real prog album. that does, however, not mean that King Crimson invented prog; they were just the first band to publish a prog album. there was a whole bunch of bands who were doing stuff like that at the time. Germany had a big scene already, but no band dared to make an album before the horrible "Psychedelic Underground" by Amon Düül came out prog was just in the air at that time; no-one really invented it
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I agree, but help me out here because I am not omniscient. When I consider all four components commonly attributed to prog, I come up with the same answer. Many had done two or three, but who combined jazz, symphonic, folk and rock all on one album? |
A very strong contender is Renaissance on their debut album in May 1969
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 22:40 |
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Posted: October 27 2010 at 20:14 |
BaldJean wrote:
I also think that "In the Court of the Crimson King" was the first real prog album. that does, however, not mean that King Crimson invented prog; they were just the first band to publish a prog album. there was a whole bunch of bands who were doing stuff like that at the time. Germany had a big scene already, but no band dared to make an album before the horrible "Psychedelic Underground" by Amon Düül came out prog was just in the air at that time; no-one really invented it
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I agree, but help me out here because I am not omniscient. When I consider all four components commonly attributed to prog, I come up with the same answer. Many had done two or three, but who combined jazz, symphonic, folk and rock all on one album?
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Posted: December 16 2009 at 15:51 |
Edvard Grieg
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Posted: December 16 2009 at 15:46 |
well, really i, it would be the gyu or gal who made up the letters P, R, O, G.
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Posted: December 16 2009 at 14:28 |
King Crimson and Pink Floyd
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Posted: October 16 2009 at 00:33 |
I voted for KC as the first prog band though I think the Beatles preceded them in prog music. But calling the Beatles a prog band doesn't sound quite right. As for all the Beatles' credentials mentioned above, don't forget Rain which came out in early 66 as I recall. Nothing had sounded like that before and the backward music at the end?
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Posted: October 13 2009 at 06:59 |
I also think that "In the Court of the Crimson King" was the first real prog album. that does, however, not mean that King Crimson invented prog; they were just the first band to publish a prog album. there was a whole bunch of bands who were doing stuff like that at the time. Germany had a big scene already, but no band dared to make an album before the horrible "Psychedelic Underground" by Amon Düül came out prog was just in the air at that time; no-one really invented it
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 18:24 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:
one image sums it all up
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I'll grant you that this album was influential, very influential, in the development of prog. I will not grant that this was the beginning, however. This just added some really good stuff to the mix. |
Sgt Pepper had to be a dominant influence when you look at the structure of the album and especially the concepts of each track. Heres my review:
The album is groundbreaking in terms of the concept and the musical inventiveness on every track. Heck, even the album cover is brilliant and considered the best of all time.
It begins with the crowd sounds of a fake audience and a catchy riff 'it was 20 years ago today....' the track blends seamlessly into 'A Little Help from my Friends' with Ringo's low key vocals at his best. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds the LSD trip is another highlight with psychedelic lyrics and echoing spaced out Lennon picturing himself on a boat on a river with plasticine people, newspaper taxis, and the girl with kaleidoscope eyes. It is quite simply an incredible song.
The sound effects are prominent throughout the album in particular Good Morning Good Morning with the iconic horse galloping and country sounds. The time sig change is quirky in the verses and very progressive. The way that the band used the effects is as influential to prog as any other album you can name - just take For the Benefit of Mr Kite for example, amazing wall of sound throughout and those spaced out lyrics are a treasure. The Beatles owe a lot to Beach Boys 'Pet Sounds' as has been well documented, but Sgt Pepper put it to better use, blending great rock with innovation and experimentation. This may well be the beginning of prog.
If you are still not convinced 'A Day in the Life' seals the deal. Lilting dreamy verses that build to 'I'd love to turn you on' that leads to the infamous orchestra slide ? eerie, chilling, disturbing and unforgettable. Then the keys stab as Paul begins the quaint bridge, the song has now completely changed, 'woke up, got out of bed, dragged a towel across my head...' it leads to the psych trip where 'somebody spoke and I went into a dream' ? the dream is the soundscape of a full orchestra and ambient vocals that echo to some faraway place. Then the song returns to the original tune. The ending is the orchestral crescendo that builds noisily until the final low piano chord. It continues and continues until it fades. Then we have a silence which is punctuated by a weird, off kilter loop that sounds like 'I wouldn't have it any other way' over and over. Originally this was the needle stuck in the groove of the vinyl alum but it works on CD as well.
And thus ends the most influential album in history. I think the album managed to capture everything that prog has become and it is an essential album for changing the way we listen to music and accept types of music. Dangerously experimental, ferociously original, it is beyond a masterpiece. It is the beginning of prog!
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 03:12 |
King Crimson invented what we know now as prog.But that means nothing.
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Posted: October 12 2009 at 03:07 |
guitargods2009 wrote:
Actually, Lord Sutch invented prog!!!
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I once bought that in a bargain bin on the strength of the line-up. Boy was i disappointed
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 13:48 |
All of the above
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"WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!"
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 05:14 |
Actually, Lord Sutch invented prog!!!
Edited by guitargods2009 - September 27 2009 at 02:06
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Posted: September 26 2009 at 05:13 |
Stravinsky, Miles Davis, Frank Zappa, Syd Barret, Robert Fripp are the founding fathers.
But they too stood on the shoulders og other gaints.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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