Prog movements?

We are actually addressing this very thing with our schools in Symphonic. The Swedish movement was one of the first we recognized, and is seen as the catalyst of a new era in the '90s. We have also discovered several other such things. We have een working on this for a long time now. Once it is implemented, M@X may create links. As you can imagine, this is a monumental task, and takes time. This is especially true when still receiving many new artist submissions, and getting sidetracked by other unforeseen events. But when it is done, our hope its that will shed some light on many of these unique relationships.

even PFM had heavy jazz influences  who wasn't bit by the fusion bug back then

darqdean wrote: micky wrote: darqdean wrote: Nice   Before the Internet music always was Geographical/Regional - whether that be Jazz, Pop, Metal or Prog and a valid case could be made to sub-divide many of the more esoteric prog sub-genres by region (and era). Your suggestion of a regional sub-menu would at least test the hypothesis as it would soon be pretty evident whether some bands fitted together or not.   Since the advent of the internet I think music has become more global and less regional, however, new sub-genres do still seem to start regionally and then go global (Math Rock being a prime example).     the Italian scene being  a prime example Dean.. with exception of some tours outside of Italy by the biggest of the big there... it was a very homogenious scene.  Prog music by Italian for Italians.  With the internet... it has blown all over the world.  All all those albums that were out of print... FOR YEARS... have been reissued.. are still be reissed for the world market. Of course, it goes a lot narrower than just by country, you get more local regional variations too. I would expect there to be differences between Milan and Naples for example,

Exactly, there are strong notable differences, so why couldn't there at least be something for countries, or continents in some cases?

I'm really tired now, so I best go to sleep before continuing this tomorrow where I can make more legible argument

Edited by tremulant - October 28 2007 at 23:58

Shakespeare wrote: Ricochet wrote: Zeuhl - I'm ball-parking, but isn't there a French and a Japanese huge movement within this genre? Spot on. With a few exceptions, of course.

Which is another reason why it would be good to have movements, to be able to recognise all those exceptions to those that aren't excpetions.

micky wrote: darqdean wrote: Nice   Before the Internet music always was Geographical/Regional - whether that be Jazz, Pop, Metal or Prog and a valid case could be made to sub-divide many of the more esoteric prog sub-genres by region (and era). Your suggestion of a regional sub-menu would at least test the hypothesis as it would soon be pretty evident whether some bands fitted together or not.   Since the advent of the internet I think music has become more global and less regional, however, new sub-genres do still seem to start regionally and then go global (Math Rock being a prime example).     the Italian scene being  a prime example Dean.. with exception of some tours outside of Italy by the biggest of the big there... it was a very homogenious scene.  Prog music by Italian for Italians.  With the internet... it has blown all over the world.  All all those albums that were out of print... FOR YEARS... have been reissued.. are still be reissed for the world market.

Ricochet wrote: Zeuhl - I'm ball-parking, but isn't there a French and a Japanese huge movement within this genre?

Spot on. With a few exceptions, of course.

micky wrote: tremulant wrote: micky wrote: have a looksie at this Jake http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33377 That's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about! (and actually, I was about to edit my initial post and mention Italian Symphonic, I'm tired and ashamedly left it out ) But instead of just attatching movements to that article section (I never knew it was there and have been coming to this site for about 3 years now!), I believe that movements are too important to just hide away like that, so why can't there be a listing of all the bands in movements in the same way as the genres? A short sort of description of each movement for beginners just finding initial interest could be written in the same way as the sub-genres, after that they can delve into the articles. A full listing of every band in each movement would be very useful... very interesting idea...  I'm sure our bosses upstairs will be reading this over.

Oooh! That's quite exciting to hear (read)!

tremulant wrote: micky wrote: have a looksie at this Jake http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33377 That's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about! (and actually, I was about to edit my initial post and mention Italian Symphonic, I'm tired and ashamedly left it out ) But instead of just attatching movements to that article section (I never knew it was there and have been coming to this site for about 3 years now!), I believe that movements are too important to just hide away like that, so why can't there be a listing of all the bands in movements in the same way as the genres? A short sort of description of each movement for beginners just finding initial interest could be written in the same way as the sub-genres, after that they can delve into the articles. A full listing of every band in each movement would be very useful...

very interesting idea...  I'm sure our bosses upstairs will be reading this over. 

I agree strongly with the Prog Andaluz idea Rico... but there is sadly little support for it... maybe down the road perhaps...

well, let's see:

Italian Symph Prog/Rock Progressive Italiano surely "permits" only Italian Bands (though not to be understood that it takes or sweeps any/every Italian Band that prog rocked); its main controversy is that there's not a symphonic special character in the Italian Scene, in comparison with the entire Symphonic treat.

Krautrock - certainly a big genre that coresponds, at least 95%, with the German Rock scene; as style and musical taste, it's undeniable; my only disagreement is that, sometimes, any psychedelic/acid rock/heavy rock band from Germany's 70s should be automatically considered Krautrock

Indo/Raga prog - certainly a private genre, of a private culture, of a private country/region/influence; I dare say it's the most undeniable cultural/national/regional genre, because music itself has a fluorescence of an undeniable taste, making the genre very justified

Zeuhl - I'm ball-parking, but isn't there a French and a Japanese huge movement within this genre?

(Prog-Related - Land of the Wannabees just kidding...)

not to forget, a respectable collaborator of this site wishes to see a Prog Andaluz genre - guess yourself what countries/regions should be included, as motives.

With all these mention, I doubt we need to create geographical/national culture-based genres - or to have in mind this sort of classification. The word of the day is still progressive rock, sometimes it's also music.


Edited by Ricochet - October 28 2007 at 11:31