Prog movements?
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Topic: Prog movements?
Posted By: tremulant
Subject: Prog movements?
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:16
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As an idea I have been often pondering (it's weird how much I can think about this site during everyday life...), the site could have as a parallel addition to the sub-genres: geographical movement categories.
Example of the sort of movement I'm talking about would be the early 90's Swedish prog movement, with bands like Anglagard, Anekdoten, Paatos etc., or the Japanese Zeuhl movement with Koenjihyakkei, Ruins, Bondage Fruit, etc., or even Krautrock and Canterbury would sit more comfortably in such a category. There would be a link or button that you could click on so that an alternate menu to the sub-genres could come up that would have all the different prog movements listed, all the bands would have a listing in sub-genre as well as a different listing in movement. This way it would be easy to find bands that are similar (I know that this is paradoxical within a prog website  ) without having to add any more sub-genres to the already cluttering sub-genres menu of the site. It could even potentially clean up the sub-genres a little...
I know that I'd be very interested and greatful to have such information from the prog-experts here on geographical prog movements, something that I think is all too often overlooked and could possibly even unlock different groups of fans, instead of the hoards of sympho maniacs, we could have new fans who particularily appreciate a movement such as the 'early 90's Swedish prog movement' (with a snappy name perhaps?). Maybe (though getting more complicated) there could even be a sort of search engine where you could select from different search menus (in the style as the message writing menus like 'font' and 'size' - the little tab menus), geographical area, sub-genre, era, and so on. I believe movements to be very important, importance mirroring that of the sub-genres. ------------- My solo music: http://www.myspace.com/anthropiate - ANTHROPIATE |
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:18
The main Italian prog expert of the site is heading this way... Even though he's not Italian at all!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:19
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oh man.... you are on the fast track to collab-ville hahahhahahahha great post.. and other do think that way as well ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:21
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have a looksie at this Jake http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33377 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33377 ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:30
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well, let's see: Italian Symph Prog/Rock Progressive Italiano surely "permits" only Italian Bands (though not to be understood that it takes or sweeps any/every Italian Band that prog rocked); its main controversy is that there's not a symphonic special character in the Italian Scene, in comparison with the entire Symphonic treat. Krautrock - certainly a big genre that coresponds, at least 95%, with the German Rock scene; as style and musical taste, it's undeniable; my only disagreement is that, sometimes, any psychedelic/acid rock/heavy rock band from Germany's 70s should be automatically considered Krautrock Indo/Raga prog - certainly a private genre, of a private culture, of a private country/region/influence; I dare say it's the most undeniable cultural/national/regional genre, because music itself has a fluorescence of an undeniable taste, making the genre very justified Zeuhl - I'm ball-parking, but isn't there a French and a Japanese huge movement within this genre? (Prog-Related - Land of the Wannabees just kidding...)not to forget, a respectable collaborator of this site wishes to see a Prog Andaluz genre - guess yourself what countries/regions should be included, as motives.  With all these mention, I doubt we need to create geographical/national culture-based genres - or to have in mind this sort of classification. The word of the day is still progressive rock, sometimes it's also music. ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:32
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Nice
 Before the Internet music always was Geographical/Regional - whether that be Jazz, Pop, Metal or Prog and a valid case could be made to sub-divide many of the more esoteric prog sub-genres by region (and era). Your suggestion of a regional sub-menu would at least test the hypothesis as it would soon be pretty evident whether some bands fitted together or not.
Since the advent of the internet I think music has become more global and less regional, however, new sub-genres do still seem to start regionally and then go global (Math Rock being a prime example).
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:35
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I agree strongly with the Prog Andaluz idea Rico... but there is sadly little support for it... maybe down the road perhaps...
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: tremulant
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:36
That's exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about! (and actually, I was about to edit my initial post and mention Italian Symphonic, I'm tired and ashamedly left it out  ) But instead of just attatching movements to that article section (I never knew it was there and have been coming to this site for about 3 years now!), I believe that movements are too important to just hide away like that, so why can't there be a listing of all the bands in movements in the same way as the genres? A short sort of description of each movement for beginners just finding initial interest could be written in the same way as the sub-genres, after that they can delve into the articles. A full listing of every band in each movement would be very useful...------------- My solo music: http://www.myspace.com/anthropiate - ANTHROPIATE |
micky wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:41
very interesting idea... I'm sure our bosses upstairs will be reading this over. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: tremulant
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:43
But wouldn't it tidy up the all too cluttering of sub-genres to put Italian Symph, Kraut etc. instead in geographical movements? ------------- My solo music: http://www.myspace.com/anthropiate - ANTHROPIATE |
Posted By: tremulant
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:44
Oooh! That's quite exciting to hear (read)!  ------------- My solo music: http://www.myspace.com/anthropiate - ANTHROPIATE |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:46
the Italian scene being a prime example Dean.. with exception of some tours outside of Italy by the biggest of the big there... it was a very homogenious scene. Prog music by Italian for Italians. With the internet... it has blown all over the world. All all those albums that were out of print... FOR YEARS... have been reissued.. are still be reissed for the world market. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Shakespeare
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:50
Spot on. With a few exceptions, of course. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:51
it would tidy them up sure... it works in some cases...because some were already here... to do further would involve tearing down the site.. and that... would be a major undertaking to say the least ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:54
Of course, it goes a lot narrower than just by country, you get more local regional variations too. I would expect there to be differences between Milan and Naples for example, ------------- What? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:55
very much so.. which Raff has helped me to see. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: tremulant
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 11:55
Which is another reason why it would be good to have movements, to be able to recognise all those exceptions to those that aren't excpetions. ------------- My solo music: http://www.myspace.com/anthropiate - ANTHROPIATE |
Posted By: tremulant
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 12:01
We wouldn't need to make much moving, Italian Symph could even exist in both a movement and distinct sub-genre, putting something like Italian Symph into a movement makes sense because it is Symphonic Prog (no matter how varied), it's Sympho that created it's own characteristics through a cultural movement. ------------- My solo music: http://www.myspace.com/anthropiate - ANTHROPIATE |
Posted By: tremulant
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 12:03
Exactly, there are strong notable differences, so why couldn't there at least be something for countries, or continents in some cases? I'm really tired now, so I best go to sleep before continuing this tomorrow where I can make more legible argument ------------- My solo music: http://www.myspace.com/anthropiate - ANTHROPIATE |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 12:05
| As one of the few resident Italians here, I'd like to put paid to a common misconception. Although the subgenre on PA bears the name of Italian Symphonic Prog, at least half of those bands are not Symphonic at all. In fact, with the exception of Le Orme, Banco and PFM, most of the big acts of the Italian Seventies played music that was much more varied, including influences from the Italian folk tradition, heavy, Hammond-based prog, opera, church music, jazz, blues, and what not. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 28 2007 at 12:08
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even PFM had heavy jazz influences who wasn't bit by the fusion bug back then
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Posted By: tremulant
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 11:14
All the more reason to create a 'prog movements' feature on the site, to destroy all these miss-conceptions and enlighten all with an overview of each major movement ------------- My solo music: http://www.myspace.com/anthropiate - ANTHROPIATE |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: October 30 2007 at 13:28
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We are actually addressing this very thing with our schools in Symphonic. The Swedish movement was one of the first we recognized, and is seen as the catalyst of a new era in the '90s. We have also discovered several other such things. We have een working on this for a long time now. Once it is implemented, M@X may create links. As you can imagine, this is a monumental task, and takes time. This is especially true when still receiving many new artist submissions, and getting sidetracked by other unforeseen events. But when it is done, our hope its that will shed some light on many of these unique relationships. ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |