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Jimbo ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 28 2005 Location: Helsinki Status: Offline Points: 2818 |
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I personally think this addition was very questionable, to say the least.... but then again, no one ever seems to agree with me, so what do I know.
Prog-related I could've somehow understood, but calling the The Decemberists a full-blown prog band baffles me to no end. There are plenty of far more creative and progressive indie bands out there imo, who now arguably deserve a spot here as well. Edited by Jimbo - May 13 2007 at 11:07 |
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Unix ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: March 11 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 253 |
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Already reviewed The Crane Wife
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enteredwinter ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 05 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 501 |
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Very happy to see The Decemberists added. And to Prog Folk, where they belong, too!!!!
Seeing reviews for Decemberists albums on the front page made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. I bet there'll be some controversy once people realize that a band that often sounds like somewhat simple indie-pop has been added, but they definitely deserve to be here. Their latest album The Crane Wife (a 5-star masterpiece btw), easily proves that. |
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moreitsythanyou ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: April 23 2006 Location: NYC Status: Offline Points: 11682 |
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sorry, I forgot to respond to how pleased I am with this addition because I had to run and review The Crane Wife. Unfortunately, in my haste, I made an error as far as italics go and hopefully it will be fixed soon (admins, could you help me out with that one
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Great addition... Finally one that agrees with... ME!
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Chris H ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
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I never get the memo on these things anymore
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Beauty will save the world.
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rushaholic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 13 2005 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1140 |
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They were just added! Get The Crane Wife and after that, get Castaways and Cutouts. |
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Chris H ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 08 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Status: Offline Points: 8191 |
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Dan and Cyg have been raving about them in the Velvet Rooms but I still have yet to hear a single note from them. If they get included I will make a strong effort to hunt something down soon.
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Beauty will save the world.
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Chris S ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 09 2004 Location: Front Range Status: Offline Points: 7028 |
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Prog folk of what I have heard, worthy of inclusion I think.
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Hyperborea ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 06 2007 Status: Offline Points: 234 |
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I've never heard of them, so i won't comment on their music. However a comment on page 1 made me think. The person said they were prog-folk, but sounded like early Fleetwood Mac, now i know for a start that FM in the early days were a blues/rock band, and def not prog-folk, anyone care to eleborate?
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chamberry ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 24 2005 Location: Puerto Rico Status: Offline Points: 9008 |
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I heard The Crane Wife recently and I have to say that it's a nice addition to this site.
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rushaholic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 13 2005 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 1140 |
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^^ Great news. The Crane Wife is currently one of my favorite albums.
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ClemofNazareth ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
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...have been added under Prog Folk.
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"Peace is the only battle worth waging."
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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![]() I agree. I would say that anybody who hears Crane Wife will understand why many of us ask fot the band's inclusion in the Archives. For me, of folk they only have the main tracks in the album, but thay should belong in the art-rock category, they're way past the related category.
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avestin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 12625 |
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I agree.
In two cases lately, I voted NO on two bands and one of them was proposed by Clem (Plastic People of the Universe). The other was supported by Sean (L'ensemble Raye).
But I said in both cases, that if my objection is in the only one in the way of addition and if the person proposing has presented a case for addition, I will not object to them being added, even though I do not agree with it.
I think that me not agreeing with a band being here is a small price to pay and makes much more sense to have them here for people to know of them, than for me to be "right" and nto have them here. That is if I am alone on this.
And maybe my subjectivity prevents me from seeing the prog in that particular band.
The same goes for other bands in PA I don't think should be in. If there are so many people who think it's prog and want them here and present a good case, let them have it.
As for this band, I have The Crane Wife. I think it's a good album, and like it and while it had it prog moments (The Island, The Crane Wife 1,2) the rest is mostly prog related to me. But again, as there's such strong feelings here and Bob did present his case, I'm fine with it.
Again, this is good (even very good) music and a case for prog-related is beyond a doubt. As for more, I want to listen to their other relaeses and read more opinions.
Another thing, I want you to read what the band wrote in their website:
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Decemberists songwriter and frontman Colin Meloy first came across the story of The Crane Wife several years ago, in the children’s section of a bookstore in Portland. A venerable Japanese folk tale that has been handed down in countless variations and translations through the centuries (as venerable folk tales are wont to do), the deceptively simple story has stayed with Meloy ever since.
“I thought that it would be a great thing to try to put it to some sort of song form, be it a single tune or something longer,” he recalls. “So I struggled with that for years until finally I realized that it just needed more parts and set about building those.” He had plenty to occupy him in the meantime: the past three years have seen his band, The Decemberists rise to the first rank of the indie music world with a series of bold, beautiful albums, including 2005’s Picaresque and Her Majesty, The Decemberists (2003). On these albums, Meloy’s crafty compositions marry an infallible melodic knack with a venturesome lyrical palette equally suitable for painting fantastical songs full of sea captains, legionnaires, chimney sweeps and seekers of all kinds. Led by these songs, and by a group dynamic that embraces experimentation even as it celebrates classic pop and folk forms -- to say nothing of klezmer, Irish jig, sea chantey, and prog rock -- The Decemberists are firmly established as a completely original happening in the world of contemporary indie rock: sold out tours across the nation, widespread popular and critical acclaim, and an aesthetic all their own. Still, as their star rose in the demimonde, Meloy noticed that the band -- himself, multi-instrumentalist Chris Funk, keyboardist Jenny Conlee, bassist Nate Query and drummer John Moen -- had its eyes trained on broader horizons. “It wasn’t like we needed to force the change,” he explains, “but the change was happening. I could tell when I was sitting down with the guitar… what was coming out wasn’t the same old stuff.” The stuff that was coming out would become the band’s most ambitious record to date. Drawing on the long-simmering inspiration of the Crane Wife story, Meloy has written a collection of songs that leap off from the folk tale and into a rich, complex musical landscape. It’s tempting to think of The Crane Wife as a concept album, but that’s not really accurate. The album is more like an extrapolation of the folk tale, a re-imagining of its themes on a broader canvas. For every song that touches directly on Meloy’s interpretation of the Japanese legend (gorgeous album opener “The Crane Wife 3,” or its prequel, “The Crane Wife 1 and 2”), several more take their cue from the fabric of the story, only to stretch outward into other visions. Sometimes the visions are of bleak urban murderers on the prowl in “The Shankhill Butchers”; sometimes the waterlogged mingling of love and death in “Summersong.” And though death, war, greed, and murder enshroud the album’s thematic framework, The Crane Wife is a resounding celebration of life. No matter how dark the words may get, the album’s spirit is buoyed by boundless energy and an expansive musical vocabulary. Styles and influences abound -- shades of Pink Floyd, Yes, and Fairport Convention trade off with more anthemic touchstones like middle-period R.E.M., The Waterboys, and even early U2 -- but the sound of The Decemberists is unique in contemporary pop music. This blend of dark and light was informed by the recording process, during which the band was able, for the first time in its career, to take time building their arrangements in a well-equipped studio setting in Portland. Granted the luxury of preparation, the band and co-producers Chris Walla (guitarist/producer for Death Cab for Cutie) and Tucker Martine (Laura Veirs) cultivated an atmosphere of total creative freedom for the two-and-a-half months the group spent making The Crane Wife. The album’s unquestionable centerpiece is the 13-minute murder ballad “The Island,” with its subsections “Come and See,” “The Landlord’s Daughter,” and “You’ll Not Feel the Drowning.” As the lyrics chronicle a tale of abduction, rape, and murder, the instruments chart a far-flung course through multiple musical genres and influences. In short, a masterpiece in itself. However, set alongside the urgent, anguished rock of “When the War Came,” and perfect pop confections like “O, Valencia” and “Sons and Daughters,” it begins to seem like a statement of purpose. “There was a real strong sense among the band that we were not going to try to make a record that somebody would typically make for a major label,” Meloy explains. “We didn’t want the fact that we had signed onto a major label change our approach or aesthetic. In some ways, I think it pushed us farther to the left, farther out of the comfortable Decemberists zone.” The Crane Wife may be many things -- a deconstructed folk tale, an intimate epic, a great new record by an essential American band -- but it could never be called typical. "
Also read the DPRP review of the album - http://www.dprp.net/reviews/200705.php#decemberists
Think about it.
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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I hate being right... in my PM to a member of the admin team. I said
that this problem is not going to go away. We respect genres
teams... hell I'm the biggest proponent of them. That respect has to be
mutual.. especially when ... if I may be blunt.. when SC's who work for
this site suggest the bands.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
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Bob, I'm afraid you misunderstood my post... Since I didn't quote you, I thought it was clear I was referring to other people and other opinions I'd seen on other occasions. If you look at the other posts in the thread, you'll see that quite clearly.
Personally, as I said earlier, I don't know the band but for the fact they are from my favourite city in the world, as well as from a couple of tracks I heard on MySpace. However, I trust your judgment enough to accept that they deserve to be included in a fully prog category. As far as I can remember, I have never been responsible for stonewalling a possible addition, therefore I was speaking in a general sense. However, seen as I don't seem to be able to get my point across, I wonder whether it's productive for me to continue posting my opinions, since they do more harm than good. |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
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bob.... that's why (behind the scenes) I suggested having admin
oversight to the genre teams. I lead two of them.... but we can't
forget that this site is OURS... and subs are not the fiefs of teams hahhaha.
If the admins said to add or not add something... I would respect that.
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ClemofNazareth ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog Folk Researcher Joined: August 17 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 4659 |
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Micky (touché), Raf (and Hugues),
If I come off sounding accusatory, please accept my apologies. I'm actually irritated (which is a completely different but equally disagreeable state of mind), and for some of the same reasons all three of you have raised at one time or another. So there is no point belaboring this. Like I said, if someone wants to pursue bumping them to the admins, I'm quite sure they'll get admitted to PR. I simply lack the conviction to do that myself. PR isn't a genre, it's a tepid compromise, the bands in it would be somewhere else or not here at all were it not for one or two willful personalities in most of those band's cases. And since I would have to become one of those willful personalities to continue pursuing this inclusion, I simply choose not to. For me this remains a hobby - I have other places to apply my true passions. ![]() Edited by ClemofNazareth - April 13 2007 at 08:05 |
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