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Certif1ed 
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Posted: January 05 2006 at 16:37 |
 W.Chuck wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
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And Pantera, I said it before..., Michael Romeo names than as an influence of him, especially on The Odyssey! |
Sure. IMO these influences on the Odyssey - and also Train of Thought for that matter - can be traced back "through" Pantera to Metallica.
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Metallica, too, I just noticed it. I listened to ENTER SANDMAN by Metallica and you can easily notice the similarities to Dream Theater's AS I AM.
This question can't be really generalized, there are too many different bands and on every new album, taking influences of every band they like and this can be new bands as well! |
Heh!
It's not just Enter Sandman by Metallica that has *influenced* Prog Metal... or Dream Theater specifically... 
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Posted: January 05 2006 at 12:59 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
W.Chuck wrote:
And Pantera, I said it before..., Michael Romeo names than as an influence of him, especially on The Odyssey! |
Sure. IMO these influences on the Odyssey - and also Train of Thought for that matter - can be traced back "through" Pantera to Metallica. |
Metallica, too, I just noticed it. I listened to ENTER SANDMAN by Metallica and you can easily notice the similarities to Dream Theater's AS I AM.
This question can't be really generalized, there are too many different bands and on every new album, taking influences of every band they like and this can be new bands as well!
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Posted: January 05 2006 at 11:44 |
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Incidentally: I don't think that any of the bands which were labelled "Heavy Metal" in the early 70s have much to do with Prog Metal specifically. Show me a prog metal band which sounds like Deep Purple, but not like any modern Metal band.
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Posted: January 05 2006 at 11:41 |
W.Chuck wrote:
And Pantera, I said it before..., Michael Romeo names than as an influence of him, especially on The Odyssey! |
Sure. IMO these influences on the Odyssey - and also Train of Thought for that matter - can be traced back "through" Pantera to Metallica.
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Posted: January 05 2006 at 11:15 |
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Deep Purple are the only metal band on that list, and
they definately had some progressive aspects so they win easily.
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Yeah but I feel that Crimson's Lark's Tongues in Aspic was the birth of prog
metal. Lark's Tongues part 2 sounds similar to something Dream Theater
would write (but a bit more interesting.)
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Posted: January 05 2006 at 10:40 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
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I said a blend! Pantera are on of Symphony X's Influences and Kiss is a influence of many prog-metal bands I just named a few metal-bands and blended with the characteristics of prog rock. And RUSH is also a father of prog-metal. It depends on the prog-metal band...there are so many different styles, so every style direction has different influences. |
I agree about Rush. But I don't think that Pantera are an influence. Pantera were influenced by Metallica, as were many prog metal bands. And Kiss ... sorry, don't see that.
In my opinion the NWOBHM gave birth to what I call "Modern Metal" in the beginning/middle of the 80s. And the first prog metal bands emerged right during this time, so although possible it is not very likely that modern metal bands like Pantera influenced bands which were active at the same time. Needless to say that Dimebag surely influenced many guitarists regardless of genre ... |
Just look at the influences of some prog-metal-bands/their members, as I said it depends on the kind of prog-metal! Bands like Evergrey have other influences than Pain of Salvation, etc. There are also new prog-metal bands which have other influences, so time is senseless, except you reduce your choice to the older rog-metal bands. And Pantera, I said it before..., Michael Romeo names than as an influence of him, especially on The Odyssey!
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Posted: January 05 2006 at 03:25 |
If we look at prog-metal as Dream Theater a very big influence would be Yes and Rush.
The first technical metal bands(i.e. Queensryche, Fates Warning, Voivod, Watchtower etc.) are influenced by obviously Rush.
To answer the poll question : Which band is your favorite : King Crimson 
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Posted: January 05 2006 at 03:00 |
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Historically Deep Purple is the most influentual to metal but King Crimson definately sounds more metal sometimes.
And... hahahah! Gentle Giant doesn't have a single vote... as it should be. :)
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Posted: January 04 2006 at 17:40 |
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Posted: January 04 2006 at 17:36 |
W.Chuck wrote:
I said a blend! Pantera are on of Symphony X's Influences and Kiss is a influence of many prog-metal bands
I just named a few metal-bands and blended with the characteristics of prog rock.
And RUSH is also a father of prog-metal.
It depends on the prog-metal band...there are so many different styles, so every style direction has different influences. |
I agree about Rush. But I don't think that Pantera are an influence. Pantera were influenced by Metallica, as were many prog metal bands. And Kiss ... sorry, don't see that.
In my opinion the NWOBHM gave birth to what I call "Modern Metal" in the beginning/middle of the 80s. And the first prog metal bands emerged right during this time, so although possible it is not very likely that modern metal bands like Pantera influenced bands which were active at the same time. Needless to say that Dimebag surely influenced many guitarists regardless of genre ...
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Posted: January 04 2006 at 17:35 |
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you definetly should have included rush in this poll.
RUSH.
but out of the listed ones I'd say King Crimson.
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Posted: January 04 2006 at 17:07 |
do I need to say anything else?
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Posted: January 04 2006 at 13:36 |
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Well maybe Peter Gabriel's voice had some influence had some influence on prog-metal bands, but that's the only things that could maybe have influenced prog-metal.
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Posted: January 04 2006 at 13:31 |
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Kansas also wrote some full out prog metal songs back in the day such as
Lightning's Hand.
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Posted: January 04 2006 at 13:29 |
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King Crimson started that heavy sound especially on Lark's Tongues. LTIA
Part 2 sounds like it could be a Dream Theater instrumental (though Dream
Theater's would probably be a lot faster.) Rush than started to amplify a
metal-type progressive sound. But it's King Crimson that started it in my
book.
EDIT: But why does this poll say which of these bands do you like better?
That's probably why Genesis has 20 votes. They have no relation to prog
metal whatsoever.
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Posted: January 04 2006 at 12:56 |
Weird post. None of those classic bands seem to be related to prog. metal. Probably more likely: Iron Maiden, Mercyful Fate, and Dream Theater (bands that started in the 80's).
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Posted: January 04 2006 at 12:48 |
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I said a blend! Pantera are on of Symphony X's Influences and Kiss is a influence of many prog-metal bands
I just named a few metal-bands and blended with the characteristics of prog rock.
And RUSH is also a father of prog-metal.
It depends on the prog-metal band...there are so many different styles, so every style direction has different influences.
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Posted: January 03 2006 at 20:14 |
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Posted: January 03 2006 at 18:09 |
AtLossForWords wrote:
W.Chuck wrote:
Prog Metal developed from
metal bands like IRON MAIDEN, PANTERA, KISS blended with the complexity
of the old prog-bands [Every band on that list (not deep
purple)]! |
Pantera is anti-progressive. I don't see elements of Pantera
in Progressive Metal. Iron Maiden had a small impact on the more
metal side of Progressive Metal and the Prog-Power Metal. Kiss,
what is remotely progressive about Kiss?
I think Progressive Metal takes a lot of influence from Rush, King
Crimson, along with some Yes. Progressive Metal bands have more
Progressive influence than Metal influence. |
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Posted: January 03 2006 at 16:40 |
BLACK SABBATH created prog metal!!!!
just listen to Sabotage or Technical Ecstasy. Heavily experimental with extensive use of keyboards in new and different ways.
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