Your top 12 Hard Rock albums?

I tried to stay away from pure metal albums but let's face it there can be thin line between hard rock and heavy metal. That was especially true in the 70s. I think starting with the first Iron Maiden album the line became more clear. I deliberately left off Black Sabbath though even though I could have easily put Paranoid or another album by them on the list. 

Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - 13 hours 1 minutes ago at 12:26

David_D wrote: Anyway, to me, Black Sabbath is The Godfather of Metal.

Nobody has claimed that they aren't. Because everyone knows that its true. It's just that Black Sabbath are commonly considered to be Hard Rock simultanously. It's really no more of a mystery than a band being labeled New Wave, Post Punk and Goth Rock etc... It's completely normal.

Edited by Saperlipopette! - 3 hours 35 minutes ago at 21:52

^ + that too

David_D wrote: I have to say that I don't understand all the talk about that Black Sabbath, in the first half of the 1970s, may as well be classified as Hard Rock. To me, Black Sabbath is THE band who most clearly define Metal as a style distinguished from Hard Rock. If not them, who then?

Most bands are more than just one thing - or one genre. 1970's Black Sabbath were deeply rooted in the blues and were "always" both Hard Rock and Heavy Metal. Not nessecarely in the same song (but that too, kind of) - but on the same album. One can say Metal started with Sabbath, but not because of Evil Woman...

Edited by Saperlipopette! - 22 hours 9 minutes ago at 03:18

Iantumaros wrote: Cristi wrote: with Priest ( and a few others in the late 70s, plus the rise of NWOBHM), metal started to stand on its own, musically and even lyrically.  It is with a profound sense of regret that I must articulate to you that the heavy metal as a subgenre commenced its significant ascent to prominence within the realm of the heavy rock genre several years antecedent to the emergence of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal (NWOBHM). Furthermore, it's noteworthy that the inaugural albums associated with NWOBHM, such as Motörhead's debut album, were still frequently labelled by numerous critics and aficionados as "hard rock." Budgie, Crash Course in Brain Surgery, single 1971

Cristi wrote: with Priest ( and a few others in the late 70s, plus the rise of NWOBHM), metal started to stand on its own, musically and even lyrically.

It is with a profound sense of regret that I must articulate to you that the heavy metal as a subgenre commenced its significant ascent to prominence within the realm of the heavy rock genre several years antecedent to the emergence of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal (NWOBHM). Furthermore, it's noteworthy that the inaugural albums associated with NWOBHM, such as Motörhead's debut album, were still frequently labelled by numerous critics and aficionados as "hard rock."

For anyone - or no one interested: Some seem not to take into consideration that classic Hard Rock will soon be old enough to reach retirement. Most of the defining songs don't feel hard at all for a metalhead, or just a "modern rock fan" anymore. We're not nearly as scared watching the most terrifying horror movies from the same era either. This doesn't mean that The Omen has stopped being a horror movie - or that Seven Seas of Rhye has stopped being Hard Rock.

Also a band only needed a few hard rockers for an album to qualify. The rest of the album could be more or less all over the place. But believe me, classic Hard Rock is still more than "brutal" enough for my mom and dad. Even the hardest Queen songs are a tad too much. And Deep Purple outside of Smoke on the Water - just forget about it. Here's how I view the bands that some people (including myself) are questioning in one way or another:

Black Sabbath in the 1970's = Hard Rock / Heavy Metal

Queen in the 1970's = I think Queen's three first albums feature more than enough genuine Hard Rock to easily qualify. To me they are Hard Rock/Classic Rock (among other things) throughout the decade, really.   

Heart in the 1970's = Hard Rock, Folk Rock (Classic Rock)

The Who in the 1970's, but I mainly know Who's Next = Hard Rock (Classic Rock)

Jethro Tull Benefit = "To Cry You a Song" is a Hard Rock song, the rest is proggy Folk Rock.   

Motörhead after their self titled debut = just Heavy Metal will do just fine. But a more traditionally rooted Hard Rock is always present.

Judas Priest after Rocka Rolla = Heavy Metal (otherwise I would probably have included Sin After Sin). Maybe I think of them differently from Black Sabbath because the latter band always got a groove, and are more Blues infused.    

...and aside from the Grunge tag I think Alice in Chains (Dirt) and Soundgarden (Batmotorfinger + Superunknown) are both closer to Heavy Rock bordering on Heavy Metal to me. But maybe some would say the same about QotSA.

The Kinks = why on earth are they even mentioned?

-finally I guess I consider both Flower Travellin' Band (Satori) and High Tide (Sea Shanties) too Heavy and too Psychedelic to be Hard Rock. To me Hard Rock needs just a little more straight forward/meat-and-potatoes kind of approach than those represent. But I thought of including those two albums myself. Black Widow (Sacrifice) again feel a tad to soft and nice to be considered anything "hard". I still thought of that album too for my own list.   

= I just mean my opinion or my association.

I’m glad you mentioned Nazareth hair of the dog. great album.

verslibre wrote: Motorhead are "rock and roll"!

Cristi wrote: verslibre wrote: Black Sabbath – Mob Rules Def Leppard – High 'N' Dry Dio – Holy Diver Judas Priest – Point of Entry Motorhead – Another Perfect Day All these (albums) are heavy metal in my book.

Leppard aren't metal. Sabbath pops up a lot in the thread. Motorhead are "rock and roll"!

David_D wrote: Sean Trane wrote: Black Sabbath - Paranoid Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny Heart - Little Queen Sean Trane wrote: given how wide the answers have been (certainly don't see The Who as Hard Rock), Heart was considered by a lot as a Zep copycat by some. Good enough for me. If much of 1970s' Heavy Metal has turned into Hard Rock, then I can understand that there's not much Hard Rock in The Who, but then, I still don't really get it with Heart.