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Topic: Your top 12 Hard Rock albums?Posted By: David_D
Subject: Your top 12 Hard Rock albums?
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 12:55
I can enjoy very much Hard Rock, even maybe not quite so many different bands, and if one album per artist,
my top 12 albums is something like (in alphabetical order):
Alice Cooper - School's Out (1972)
Captain Beyond - Captain Beyond (1972)
Deep Purple - Fireball (1971)
Golden Earring - Moontan (1973)
Jethro Tull - Benefit (1971)
Led Zeppelin - IV (1971)
Manfred Mann's Earth Band - Solar Fire (1974)
Om - Conference of the Birds (2006)
Pearl Jam - Ten (1991)
Scorpions - Lonesome Crow (1972)
Uriah Heep - Look at Yourself (1971)
The Who - Quadrophenia (1973)
What's yours?
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Replies: Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 13:21
Are we considering Black Sabbath a metal band?
Rainbow - Rising Led Zep - IV Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You Budgie - Never Turn Your Back On A Friend Groundhogs - Split Deep Purple - In Rock AC/DC - Powerage Pink Fairies - Kings Of Oblivion Scorpions - Lonesome Crow Ten Years After - Cricklewood Green Free - Heartbreaker Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies Thin Lizzy - Jailbreak Uriah Heep - Demons & Wizards Black Sabbath - s/t
------------- Ian
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 13:25
I went with a baker's baker's dozen. A baker's dozen is when you ask for a dozen and they throw in one more for free. A baker's baker's dozen is when you ask for a baker's dozen while giving the secret flour signal which involves snorting and sneezing-out flour, although cocaine can fool some. Don't try it (imposters get kneaded and rolled)! That indicates that you are a member of the secret fraternity of bakers and gets you an extra extra for free.
Message - From Books and Dreams (1973) Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti (1975) Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath (1970) Damnation of Adam Blessing - The Damnation of Adam Blessing (1970) Black Widow - Sacrifice (1970) Yesterday's Children - Yesterday's Children (1970) Satori - Flower Travellin' Band (1971) High Tide - Sea Shanties (1969) Gun - Gun (1969) Armageddon - Armageddon (1975) Atomic Rooster - Death Walks Behind You (1970) Lucifer's Friend - Lucifer's Friend (1971) Morgen - Morgen (1969) Manfred Mann's Earth Band - Solar Fire (1974) Sir Lord Baltimore - Kingdom Come (1970)
EDIT: And added another (for 15) as I forgot to mention Black Widow. Counting is for Sesame Street... They call me The Count because I love to count.
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 13:49
In no particular order (and I didn't count either)...
Black Sabbath - Vol. 4
Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Montrose - Montrose
Frank Marino & Mahogany Rush - Live 1978
Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
Led Zeppelin - IV
Rainbow - Rising
Groundhogs - Thank Christ for the Bomb
Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
Nazareth - Hair of the Dog
Alice Cooper - Killer
Alice Cooper - Love It to Death
The Who - Who's Next
The Who - Quadrophenia
Deep Purple - Made in Japan
Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 13:59
Rush - self-titled
ACDC - Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap
ACDC - Highway to Hell (sorry, had to pull two albums from those boys)
LZ - Presence
BOC - Agents of Fortune
Heart - Bebe Le Strange
Runaways - Queens of Noise
Van Halen - Fair Warning
Fanny - Charity Ball
Billy Squier - Don't Say No
Dio - Holy Diver
Lynyrd Skynyrd - Pronounced
I can't say those are my very "top" ones, but rather the ones that came to mind first. It would take hours to ensure the word "top" was accurate. Since I ran out of space before getting to Sabbath, I'll save them for a metal list.
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 14:20
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Are we considering Black Sabbath a metal band?
We'll hear what David has to say, but for me...
I would call Black Sabbath both "hard rock" and "heavy metal" based on the 1970 to 1975 period which I know best, and some other stuff, which also has doom metal qualities. Heavy metal being a kind of development of hard rock, music can be described as both. And geologically-speaking, heavy metals may be found in hard rocks. :) I felt confident in having Black Sabbath's debut as one of my choices, and would have with Paranoid and others too.
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Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 14:52
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Are we considering Black Sabbath a metal band?
Of the early albums, I find the debut and Paranoid to be on the borderline of Hard Rock and Metal, while the others are Metal to me. I also use to list Paranoid as my fave Metal BS album.
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Posted By: Grumpyprogfan
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 15:19
AC/DC - Back In Black Aerosmith - Toys In The Attic Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies Alice In Chains - Dirt Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell Deep Purple - Machine Head Ozzy Osbourne - Blizzard of Ozz Pearl Jam - Ten Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness Soundgarden - Superunknown Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs Van Halen - S/T
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 15:28
Ok, I'll add Black Sabbath - s/t
------------- Ian
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Posted By: mathman0806
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 15:54
Grumpyprogfan wrote:
AC/DC - Back In Black Aerosmith - Toys In The Attic Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies Alice In Chains - Dirt Black Sabbath - Heaven and Hell Deep Purple - Machine Head Ozzy Osbourne - Blizzard of Ozz Pearl Jam - Ten Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness Soundgarden - Superunknown Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs Van Halen - S/T
Over half of these could be on my list.
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 17:24
in no order and only 5 listed
Rainbow - Rising
Led Zep - Zoso
Atomic Rooster - In Hearing Of
Deep Purple - In Rock
Birth Control - Operation
Jane - s/t
Scorpions - Lonesome Crow
Uriah Heep - Salisbury
Wishbone Ash - Argus
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Frank Marino & Mahogany Rush - What's Next
Pat Travers Band - Makin' Magic
Rush - Fly By Night
AC/DC - Let There Be Rock
Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
BOC - Secrets
Heart - Little Queen
Van Halen - s/t
Fanny - Charity Ball
Birtha - s/t
Lynyrd Skynyrd - Pronounced
Aerosmith - Get Your Wings Robin Trower - Bridge of Sighs
.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 18:33
A kind of traditionally oriented Hard Rock list:
Led Zeppelin - IV Rainbow - Rising Thin Lizzy - Vagabonds of the Western World Black Sabbath - Master of Reality Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf Heart - Dreamboat Annie Blue Öyster Cult - Fire of Unknown Origin Alice Cooper - Love It to Death Danzig - Danzig Deep Purple - In Rock Wishbone Ash - Argus Uriah Heep - Demons and Wizards
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 19:40
These are in the approximate order that I got these albums (as far as I can recall - most were a long long time ago):
Alice Cooper - Billion Dollar Babies
Deep Purple - Made In Japan
Grand Funk Railroad - Phoenix
Montrose - Montrose
Led Zeppelin - IV
Ted Nugent - Ted Nugent
Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy
Budgie - Never Turn Your Back On A Friend
Robin Trower - Bridge Of Sighs
Rainbow - Rising
Kevin Borich - Celebration
Van Halen - Van Halen
Alice In Chains - Dirt
Mastodon - Crack The Skye
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 22:39
Lone Star - Firing On All Six
Led Zep -II
Sabbath - Never Say Die
Purple - Whoosh!
Heep - Chaos & Colour
Wishbone Ash - Argus
Rainbow - Rising
Rush - Vapor Trails
Be Bop Deluxe - Axe Victim
Queen - Sheer Heart Attack
Sweet - Give Us A Wink
The Who - By Numbers
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: December 15 2024 at 23:34
I am absolutely DIGGING this thread! Thanks for all of the Alice Cooper love!
The first bands I ever saw on the big rock & roll stage were Captain Beyond and Alice Cooper, 28 July, 1972!
Right now, my 12 would be:
Killer: Alice Cooper
School's Out: Alice Cooper
Billion Dollar Babies: Alice Cooper
Captain Beyond: Captain Beyond
Fireball: Deep Purple
Foce It: UFO
Zoso: Led Zeppelin
Houses of the Holy: Led Zeppelin
Sabbath Volume 4: Black Sabbath
Heaven & Hell: Black Sabbath
I've played a lot of this material in various garage bands, great fun! "Halo of Flies" on Killer is supreme!
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 00:00
cstack3 wrote:
I've played a lot of this material in various garage bands, great fun! "Halo of Flies" on Killer is supreme!
Yes my absolute favorite song of his, but I love Love it to Death to death.
Prog fans are the weirdest - they might as well go for In Through the Out Door (ok, which is half great), Coda and...
I prophesy disaster wrote:
Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy
richardh wrote:
Sabbath - Never Say Die
Raphaël wrote:
9) Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy
I'm trying to think if I have a mostly disliked non fan favorite like that as my personal favorite. I guess I do with Trans by Neil Young, but that's bacause I don't genuinely enjoy his "normal music".
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 00:15
Saperlipopette! wrote:
A kind of traditionally oriented Hard Rock list:
If I had allowed myself to be a little more eclectic and accepted everything RYM tags "Hard Rock", these would have been included somewhere:
Jethro Tull - Benefit Blue Phantom - Distortions Flower Travellin' Band - Satori High Tide - Sea Shanties Jane's Addiction - Nothing's Shocking
-but I do not think of any of them primarely as Hard Rock myself. Same goes for Alice in Chains (Dirt) and Soundgarden (Batmotorfinger). Those are both closer to Heavy Rock bordering on Metal to me.
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 00:18
^^ For me, Technical Ecstasy has a very strong personal nostalgic element. I do acknowledge the first six albums as absolute classics. I actually love all eight albums. In the case of Never Say Die, although it has always been my least favourite, I do find the change in sound to be quite interesting, and in more recent times, I am developing a greater love for the album, and especially the track Air Dance. As for the first six albums, I love them all pretty much equally.
Before I was a Van der Graaf Generator fan, I was a Black Sabbath fan.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 00:51
Raphaël wrote:
[QUOTE=Saperlipopette!]A kind of traditionally oriented Hard Rock list: /..../ Heart - Dreamboat Annie Heart is hard rock? Are you sure? Regardless of how Wikipedia labels them these days, I've always thought of the 70s Heart as a 'Rock' band, like The Who or The Kinks.
Yes I sort of do. Heart certainly owes a lot to Led Zep on their two first albums. But it's not clear cut. Like many 1970's albums you'll find a little bit of Pop, Rock, Folk Rock and Hard Rock on the same album. Crazy on You, Magic Man, White Lightning and Wine, Sing Child is 70's Hard Rock to my ears. That's enough for me. Some include specific The Who albums here too. The Kinks and Heart have next to nothing in common though.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 02:37
^Label them exactly as you see fit, I don't care. Maybe it's you who's lost sight, and not me.
Posted By: Raphaël
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 03:25
Saperlipopette! wrote:
/..../ Maybe it's you who's lost sight, and not
me.
Well, of course, if Heart's Crazy on You is a hard rock song,
then here it is: I admit that I don't know what hard rock is!
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 03:35
Raphaël wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
/..../ Maybe it's you who's lost sight, and not me.
Well, of course, if Heart's Crazy on You is a hard rock song, then here it is: I admit that I don't know what hard rock is!
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 04:17
Raphaël wrote:
Saperlipopette! wrote:
/..../ Maybe it's you who's lost sight, and not
me.
Well, of course, if Heart's Crazy on You is a hard rock song,
then here it is: I admit that I don't know what hard rock is!
barely re-entered thru the chimney after being kicked out the door, and you're already a nuisance, Svettie
given how wide the answers have been (certainly don't see The Who as Hard Rock), Heart was considered by a lot as a Zep copycat by some. Good enough for me.
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Posted By: Octopus II
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 05:05
Black Sabbath - Sabotage
Van Halen - Van Halen
Led Zeppelin IV
Rainbow - Rainbow Rising
Deep Purple - Machine Head
Led Zeppelin - Physical Graffiti
Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Budgie - In For The Kill
Nazareth - Expect No Mercy
AC/DC - Powerage
Uriah Heep - Look At Yourself
AC/DC - Let There Be Rock
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 06:19
Octopus II wrote:
AC/DC - Powerage
Nice!
My favorite with Bon Scott.
Posted By: Emmanuel
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 07:22
Rush - Moving Pictures Rainbow - Rising Deep Purple - Burn Blue Öyster Cult - Agents of Fortune Black Sabbath - Sabotage Slade - Whatever Happened to Slade UFO No Heavy Petting Sweet - Desolation Boulevard Cheap Trick - Cheap Trick Kiss - Kiss Silverhead - Silverhead Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 08:56
cstack3 wrote:
Fireball: Deep Purple
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Posted By: Iantumaros
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 09:54
Not in any particular order
Uriah Heep · Magician's Birthday UFO · Lights Out Rainbow · Rising Deep Purple · Burn Trapeze · Hot Wire Judas Priest · Sad Wings of Destiny Black Sabbath · Sabotage Slade · Whatever Happened to Slade Led Zeppelin · Led Zeppelin IV Judas Priest · Sad Wings of Destiny Thin Lizzy · Black Rose: A Rock Legend Armageddon · Armageddon
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 11:51
Black Sabbath – Mob Rules Blue Murder – Blue Murder Blue Öyster Cult – Cultösaurus Erectus Cheap Trick – Dream Police Cobra – First Strike Deep Purple – Perfect Strangers Def Leppard – High 'N' Dry Dio – Holy Diver Dust – Hard Attack Sammy Hagar – Street Machine HSAS – Through the Fire Heart – Little Queen Montrose – Montrose Judas Priest – Point of Entry Motorhead – Another Perfect Day Rock Goddess – Rock Goddess Santers – Racing Time Soundgarden – Down on the Upside Rainbow – Rising Thin Lizzy – Jailbreak Triumph – Thunder Seven Uriah Heep – Firefly Van Halen – Fair Warning Wild Horses – Wild Horses Zebra – Zebra
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 12:16
verslibre wrote:
Black Sabbath – Mob Rules Def Leppard – High 'N' Dry Dio – Holy Diver Judas Priest – Point of Entry Motorhead – Another Perfect Day
All these (albums) are heavy metal in my book.
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 12:18
Sean Trane wrote:
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
Heart - Little Queen
Sean Trane wrote:
given how wide the answers have been (certainly don't see The Who as Hard Rock), Heart was considered by a lot as a Zep copycat by some. Good enough for me.
If much of 1970s' Heavy Metal has turned into Hard Rock, then I can understand that there's not much Hard Rock in The Who, but then, I still don't really get it with Heart.
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Posted By: Steve Wyzard
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 13:39
Aerosmith - Get Your Wings
Aerosmith - Toys in the Attic
Aerosmith - Rocks
Tommy Shaw - Girls with Guns
Sweet - Level Headed
Thin Lizzy - Fighting
Thin Lizzy - Jailbreak
Thin Lizzy - Bad Reputation
UFO - Lights Out
UFO - Obsession
UFO - Strangers in the Night
UFO - The Wild, The Willing, and The Innocent
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 14:29
The Who - Who's Next
Johnny Thunders & Heartbreakers -LAMF
BUSH - The Kingdom (Highly recommended, play loud)
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 15:08
I prophesy disaster wrote:
Before I was a Van der Graaf Generator fan, I was a Black Sabbath fan.
I guess that it's not so seldom to be Metal fan before turning to Prog aficionado.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 15:49
David_D wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Judas Priest - Sad Wings of Destiny
Heart - Little Queen
Sean Trane wrote:
given how wide the answers have been (certainly don't see The Who as Hard Rock), Heart was considered by a lot as a Zep copycat by some. Good enough for me.
If much of 1970s' Heavy Metal has turned into Hard Rock, then I can understand that there's not much Hard Rock in The Who, but then, I still don't really get it with Heart.
Well, the imagery of Heart is not very macho, they're still hard enough for me. Take a look at one of their concerts on YT to get a load of it.
Where I do have a (slight) problem, it's considering TYA as hard rock, despite loving everything from Undead until RnR Music TTW
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 16:56
No order...
Led Zep 1
Led Zep 4
Who Whos Next
Uriah Heep 1st
Sabbath Paranoid
Hendrix Are You Exp.
BOC Secret Treaties
Mountain Climbing
Captain Beyond 1st
Free Fire and Water
Humble Pie st
Alice Cooper Killer
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 17:15
Cristi wrote:
verslibre wrote:
Black Sabbath – Mob Rules Def Leppard – High 'N' Dry Dio – Holy Diver Judas Priest – Point of Entry Motorhead – Another Perfect Day
All these (albums) are heavy metal in my book.
Leppard aren't metal. Sabbath pops up a lot in the thread. Motorhead are "rock and roll"!
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: December 16 2024 at 22:44
David_D wrote:
I prophesy disaster wrote:
Before I was a Van der Graaf Generator fan, I was a Black Sabbath fan.
I guess that it's not so seldom to be Metal fan before turning to Prog aficionado.
I'm inclined to think that being a Black Sabbath fan primed me to be a Van der Graaf Generator fan in particular as the heaviness of Van der Graaf Generator's music is more in line with the music of Black Sabbath than the lighter more melodic folkier music that is common in Progressive Rock.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 00:43
For anyone - or no one interested: Some seem not to take into consideration that classic Hard Rock will soon be old enough to reach retirement. Most of the defining songs don't feel hard at all for a metalhead, or just a "modern rock fan" anymore. We're not nearly as scared watching the most terrifying horror movies from the same era either. This doesn't mean that The Omen has stopped being a horror movie - or that Seven Seas of Rhye has stopped being Hard Rock.
Also a band only needed a few hard rockers for an album to qualify. The rest of the album could be more or less all over the place. But believe me, classic Hard Rock is still more than "brutal" enough for my mom and dad. Even the hardest Queen songs are a tad too much. And Deep Purple outside of Smoke on the Water - just forget about it. Here's how I view the bands that some people (including myself) are questioning in one way or another:
Black Sabbath in the 1970's = Hard Rock / Heavy Metal
Queen in the 1970's = I think Queen's three first albums feature more than enough genuine Hard Rock to easily qualify. To me they are Hard Rock/Classic Rock (among other things) throughout the decade, really.
Heart in the 1970's = Hard Rock, Folk Rock (Classic Rock)
The Who in the 1970's, but I mainly know Who's Next = Hard Rock (Classic Rock)
Jethro Tull Benefit = "To Cry You a Song" is a Hard Rock song, the rest is proggy Folk Rock.
Motörhead after their self titled debut = just Heavy Metal will do just fine. But a more traditionally rooted Hard Rock is always present.
Judas Priest after Rocka Rolla = Heavy Metal (otherwise I would probably have included Sin After Sin). Maybe I think of them differently from Black Sabbath because the latter band always got a groove, and are more Blues infused.
...and aside from the Grunge tag I think Alice in Chains (Dirt) and Soundgarden (Batmotorfinger + Superunknown) are both closer to Heavy Rock bordering on Heavy Metal to me. But maybe some would say the same about QotSA.
The Kinks = why on earth are they even mentioned?
-finally I guess I consider both Flower Travellin' Band (Satori) and High Tide (Sea Shanties) too Heavy and too Psychedelic to be Hard Rock. To me Hard Rock needs just a little more straight forward/meat-and-potatoes kind of approach than those represent. But I thought of including those two albums myself. Black Widow (Sacrifice) again feel a tad to soft and nice to be considered anything "hard". I still thought of that album too for my own list.
= I just mean my opinion or my association.
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 02:03
verslibre wrote:
Cristi wrote:
verslibre wrote:
Black Sabbath – Mob Rules Def Leppard – High 'N' Dry Dio – Holy Diver Judas Priest – Point of Entry Motorhead – Another Perfect Day
All these (albums) are heavy metal in my book.
Leppard aren't metal. Sabbath pops up a lot in the thread. Motorhead are "rock and roll"!
First two albums they are. Even Pyromania qualifies. Not starting with Hysteria.
Black Sabbath with Dio is full blown (some people like this word ) heavy metal.
I see Judas Priest labelled as hard rock some places even on metalstorm. I disagree, with Priest ( and a few others in the late 70s, plus the rise of NWOBHM), metal started to stand on its own, musically and even lyrically.
Posted By: Iantumaros
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 02:42
Cristi wrote:
with Priest ( and a few others in the
late 70s, plus the rise of NWOBHM), metal started to stand on its own,
musically and even lyrically.
It
is with a profound sense of regret that I must articulate to you that
the heavy metal as a subgenre commenced its significant ascent to
prominence within the realm of the heavy rock genre several years
antecedent to the emergence of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal
(NWOBHM). Furthermore, it's noteworthy that the inaugural albums
associated with NWOBHM, such as Motörhead's debut album, were still
frequently labelled by numerous critics and aficionados as "hard rock."
Budgie, Crash Course in Brain Surgery, single 1971
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 02:59
I have to say that I don't understand all the talk about that Black Sabbath, in the first half of the 1970s, may as well be classified as Hard Rock. To me, Black Sabbath is THE band who most clearly define Metal as a style distinguished from Hard Rock. If not them, who then?
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 02:59
Iantumaros wrote:
Cristi wrote:
with Priest ( and a few others in the
late 70s, plus the rise of NWOBHM), metal started to stand on its own,
musically and even lyrically.
It
is with a profound sense of regret that I must articulate to you that
the heavy metal as a subgenre commenced its significant ascent to
prominence within the realm of the heavy rock genre several years
antecedent to the emergence of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal
(NWOBHM). Furthermore, it's noteworthy that the inaugural albums
associated with NWOBHM, such as Motörhead's debut album, were still
frequently labelled by numerous critics and aficionados as "hard rock."
Budgie, Crash Course in Brain Surgery, single 1971
You misunderstood. I never said heavy metal started with Judas Priest, while the two terms "heavy metal" and "hard rock" were interchangeable for a while in the 70s, it was in the second half of the decade that heavy metal evolved and moved away from hard rock, distancing itself with blues influence. Motorhead and punk sped things up further and musicians created new sounds further on.
Posted By: Iantumaros
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 03:15
David_D wrote:
I have to say that I don't understand all the
talk about that Black Sabbath, in the first half of the 1970s, may as
well be classified as Hard Rock. To me, Black Sabbath is THE band who
most clearly define Metal as a style distinguished from Hard Rock. If
not them, who then?
In the period spanning from the early
to the late 1970s, heavy metal emerged as a distinct subgenre within the
broader category of heavy rock music. It is entirely appropriate to
include the early albums of Black Sabbath in our discussions on this
topic. Inclusion of Black Sabbath on a "hard rock" list should not be
misconstrued as a lack of understanding, because both critics and
aficiandos of heavy music of that era frequently classified Black
Sabbath not only as purveyors of heavy metal but also as representatives
of heavy rock. What's more, it was often the case that Black Sabbath
were more commonly referred to as a "hard rock" band in the 1970s.
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 03:16
^ + that too
David_D wrote:
I have to say that I don't understand all the talk about that Black Sabbath, in the first half of the 1970s, may as well be classified as Hard Rock. To me, Black Sabbath is THE band who most clearly define Metal as a style distinguished from Hard Rock. If not them, who then?
Most bands are more than just one thing - or one genre. 1970's Black Sabbath were deeply rooted in the blues and were "always" both Hard Rock and Heavy Metal. Not nessecarely in the same song (but that too, kind of) - but on the same album. One can say Metal started with Sabbath, but not because of Evil Woman...
Posted By: David_D
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 05:23
Anyway, to me, Black Sabbath is The Godfather of Metal.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 05:44
David_D wrote:
Anyway, to me, Black Sabbath is The Godfather of Metal.
Nobody has claimed that they aren't. Because everyone knows that its true. It's just that Black Sabbath are commonly considered to be Hard Rock simultanously. It's really no more of a mystery than a band being labeled New Wave, Post Punk and Goth Rock etc... It's completely normal.
Posted By: mellotronwave
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 10:11
In no specified ranking but almost
Led Zeppelin IV Thin Lizzy : Live and Dangerous Golden Earring : Together Led Zeppelin II Deep Purple : Machine head Scorpions : Fly to the Rainbow The Who : Who's next Uriha Heep : Live Aerosmith : Rocks Deep Purple : Made in Japan Sahb : Live Golden Earring : Live (first)
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 12:25
I tried to stay away from pure metal albums but let's face it there can be thin line between hard rock and heavy metal. That was especially true in the 70s. I think starting with the first Iron Maiden album the line became more clear. I deliberately left off Black Sabbath though even though I could have easily put Paranoid or another album by them on the list.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 17 2024 at 22:12
Sabbath's home city of Birmingham still had the heavy industry back in the sixties which is where the term 'Metal' came from I believe. They grew up around the factories hearing the constant pounding of the massive hammers and it was a big influence on their style. I was in Birmingham at the weekend and it was fun to see the Black Sabbath bench above the canal area in Broad Street. In general there are still a lot of signs of its industrial past with wonderful old buildings that have been converted into restaurants and other establishments. Love the place!