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    Posted: January 23 2023 at 08:35
Originally posted by Dapper~Blueberries Dapper~Blueberries wrote:

One of my fav albums of all time is MDK by Magma. It is THE perfect zeuhl and avant garde prog rock record for me.

I haven't seen you around here before, so my welcome to you on the PA forum. Smile




Edited by David_D - January 23 2023 at 09:37
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One of my fav albums of all time is MDK by Magma. It is THE perfect zeuhl and avant garde prog rock record for me.
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I often listen to Radiophonic recordings of Delia Derbyshire which is probably not technically considered Avant-garde..but more often labeled under experimental and historically early Electronic Music. There are sections of Delia Derbyshire pieces that set off an Avant-garde vibe...not unlike John Cage or anyone else.

I listen to Pauline Oliveros, George Crumb, and several others who have experimented in producing a sound or style of writing that is considered to be purist Avant-garde.

That particular style of composition turns up in the music of Univers Zero, Art Zoyd, Birdsongs Of The Mesozoic, Miriodor, Rational Diet, and many other Progressive Rock bands.

The Avant-garde music of the 20th century seemed to be influenced by Bella Bartok when it came down to creating notation in dissonance. As people like Harry Partch is not directly influenced by the composition of Bartok, but is utilizing Bartok's foundation for creepy melodies of dissonance.

I enjoy modern Chamber Music. I get a lot of enjoyment from the music of Ingram Marshall and John Adams. Although it is not classified as Avant-garde music..there are sections of it which are reminiscent of Edgar Varese composition.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2022 at 09:41
Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Actually, at this point of time only a few albums on my list are still some challenge for me to listen to.
Have your musical tastes changed or have you acclimated to what was once challenging music to you?

As a general answer to the whole question, both, even I guess that it may be difficult to distinguish between those two things.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Grumpyprogfan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2022 at 05:15
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Actually, at this point of time only a few albums on my list are still some challenge for me to listen to.
Have your musical tastes changed or have you acclimated to what was once challenging music to you?

Edited by Grumpyprogfan - December 22 2022 at 05:16
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Actually, at this point of time only a few albums on my list are still some challenge for me to listen to.
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Early Prog … probably King Crimson either Larks Tongues in Aspic or Red … it’s a toss-up

Newer … probably Blotted Science The Animation of Entomology
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

The creepy music of the  Italian-Slovenian band Devil Doll are about as "avant-garde" as it gets by the standards of my somewhat conservative musical tastes. Smile

3 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1989: Devil Doll - The Girl Who Was... Death - </span>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYdcApobjTY&t=497s
3 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1990: Devil Doll - Eliogabulus - </span>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARus_-poevk
4 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1992: Devil Doll - Sacrilegium - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHu_LmvSjB4&t=407s</span>
3 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1993: Devil Doll - The Sacrilege of Fatal Arms - </span>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5uSrBgzXAs&t=1868s
4 stars<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;"> 1996: Devil Doll - Dies Irae - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS87xpm8SoI&t=1527s</span>




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote edefakiel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 21 2022 at 01:29
Originally posted by mathman0806 mathman0806 wrote:

Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

Sometimes, when I'm enjoying something like this


I have a minimental breakdown and think "what the heck am I doing with my life?". 


I have not yet listened to new one. But enjoyed their previous one, The Common Task. Some good 'avantgardish' stuff.

I think that I like this one better. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mathman0806 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2022 at 16:32
Originally posted by edefakiel edefakiel wrote:

Sometimes, when I'm enjoying something like this


I have a minimental breakdown and think "what the heck am I doing with my life?". 


I have not yet listened to new one. But enjoyed their previous one, The Common Task. Some good 'avantgardish' stuff.
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Great album.
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https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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Sometimes, when I'm enjoying something like this


I have a minimental breakdown and think "what the heck am I doing with my life?". 
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Meanwhile, I've got more into Magma's Üdü Wüdü (1976) - only a couple of years old purchase - so it in fact is not a challenge anymore,
and I just enjoy it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2022 at 08:23
Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:


Well, I admit that I use here the word "avantgardish" in its basic meaning which is "favouring or introducing new and 
experimental ideas and methods" (according to Oxford Languages). Smile 

I don't think the word "avantgardish" is in any dictionary. 
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Well, I admit that I use here the word "avantgardish" in its basic meaning which is "favouring or introducing new and 
experimental ideas and methods" (according to Oxford Languages). Smile 
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Mercyful Fate's Melissa (1983) is another example of an album which is not Avant-Prog or Zeuhl, but which I still can think of as "avantgardish", and find challenging due to the rather difficult to access song "Satan's Fall" and not least because of the satanic lyrics on this album. Unhappy 

- But it's not Prog and at most, proto-Prog Metal.
I do love Mercyful Fate's two first albums, but this is completely nonsensical. It can be "challenging" to listen to musical reconstructions of ancient greek music - or field recordings of Gamelan music as well, but challenging alone doesn't make music avant-garde or avantgardish. Hell, loud christmas songs in a shopping mall is perhaps the most challenging - not least because of the occasional christian lyrics.
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The term Avant-garde during the 20th century often presented within it..a style of writing which was often created through the usage of tri tones . Some tri tone interval passages are distant or rather..played quietly ..producing an eerie affect. A good example is on George Crumb Black Angels.

This particular style of writing made its path through Electronic Music of the 60s with Wendy Carlos, Beaver And Krause, Mort Garson, Ruth White and in some articles covering that part of Electronic Music history...these individuals were said to have been occultists. Aside from what music journalists printed in publication back then ...which stares you in the eye on the internet today..the most logical reasoning being that the music was inspired by either following the left hand path or just merely having a fringe interest in the underworld.

A lot of ideas in RIO derive from Bella Bartok just as it occurred with King Crimson in 73' and earlier in 1970 with Holst. . The darker sections of Univers Zero and Art Zoyd music create suspense and are theatrical sounding to degrees. It is very conceivable that a number of musicians writing this style have had dark experiences in their life as opposed to being a so called believer in the supernatural. The most horrific nightmare could inspire a musician to hear a dark melody. Whether your listening to Patricia Dallio or Rational Diet...it's a mixture of individuals influenced by a personal experience or their surroundings.



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote David_D Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 04 2022 at 06:32

Mercyful Fate's Melissa (1983) is another example of an album which is not Avant-Prog or Zeuhl, but which I still can
think of as "avantgardish", and find challenging due to the rather difficult to access song "Satan's Fall" and not least
because of the satanic lyrics on this album. Unhappy 

- But it's not Prog and at most, proto-Prog Metal.




Edited by David_D - November 04 2022 at 13:25
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Very few prog artists considered to be avant-garde achieved any commercial output for their music.  The most uncompromising band of them all - Henry Cow - had been more or less dumped by their label, Virgin, by 1976.  However, the question asks for our favourites so from Henry Cow it could be any of their albums.  Their 'companions', Faust, also worked in this area - The Faust Tapes is wonderful.  Later in the 70s, we got Univers Zero and other RIO/Zeuhl artists but by the 80s, the avant garde had almost disappeared....
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