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    Posted: September 26 2022 at 18:32
I was actually turned on to "In the Court" about a year before Discipline.  So I was all hot and ready for the new evolution after digging through the back catalog.

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^ Well, thanks for sharing. Very interesting interview.


The KC segment starts around 57:00.


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I know this thread is pretty much dead but Marc Maron just did a great podcast with Belew. I never realized that Fripp hired AB and told him he had to write all the songs and lyrics and do the arrangements, while Fripp played overlord.  Well, I figured the last part.
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Discipline is undoubtedly King Crimson's best 80's album. That album hooked immediately, but it took me a while to appreciate TOAPP and Beat.
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Discipline is very good. Not entirely sold on TOAPP and Beat, though they're alright. 
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Discipline is a Crimson masterpiece
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I never got into the 80s era KC, but the musicianship was certainly top notch and they were much better live, imho.
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Originally posted by sevenfour sevenfour wrote:

It was a big deal, Crimson back together with new music. We saw this band six times.

Welcome to PA, we look forward to your wondrous stories!! 

I also saw the band a few times (I think four), missing the "Beat" tour due to a torrential rain that flooded out the outdoor venue, Poplar Creek, where they were performing.  Sad!  I did see Discipline, 3 of a Perfect Pair, Thrak and one other that escapes me.  

It wasn't traditional Crimson music exactly, but very high-energy and contemporary.  Fripp and Belew were pioneers with the use of the Roland guitar synth technology, so they did some amazing things.  Levin also brought the Chapman Stick front and center to rock, and Bruf held it down on the drum!  Damn fine times!
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Fripp has always thrived on experimentation, and the "Discipline" period continued that trend.  

"Discipline" was inspired by Bob's period of study of Blavatsky, Bennett and Gurdjieff.   His "Guitar Craft" project was based very much on personal and community discipline - I was bassist for one of his earliest Guitar Craft graduates, Alonzo "Lon" Jones of Tulsa, OK.  There was a lot going on with that music & its presentation this is not apparent unless you knew the man's history. 

<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">In 1974, Robert Fripp—leader of the progressive rock group King Crimson—had a</span>

<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">spiritual experience in which “the top of [his] head blew off.” He became a student</span>

<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">of J. G. Bennett, himself a former student of G. I. Gurdjieff, at Sherborne House in</span>

<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Gloucestershire, and remains a member of the Bennett Foundation to this day. </span>

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<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;">When </span>Fripp returned to the music industry, it was with an approach that favored disciplined

<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">and geometric compositions over the jagged improvisation of the earlier period. This</span>

<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">article explores the influence of Gurdjieff and Bennett’s teaching upon Fripp and his</span>

<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif"> work, and his apparent attempts to realize the former’s idea of “objective art” through</span>

<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">his music.  I pay particular attention to the development of Guitar Craft, in which Fripp</span>

<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">applies Gurdjieff’s techniques through the teaching of the guitar. I argue that Fripp’s</span>

<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">teaching is a little examined scion of the Gurdjieff  lineage, and a case study of discrete</span>

<p style="margin: 0px; font-stretch: normal; line-height: normal; color: rgb38, 38, 38;"><span style="-webkit-font-kerning: none;"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">cultural production.</span>






Absolutely fascinating, thanks for sharing!
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Wow, I never knew "absent lovers" was the name of a song (in this case instrumental so technically not really a song). I just listened to it on youtube and it sounds really good. Beat would have been a better album if this was on there instead of "two hands" or "waiting man."
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It was a big deal, Crimson back together with new music. We saw this band six times.
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Fripp has always thrived on experimentation, and the "Discipline" period continued that trend.  

"Discipline" was inspired by Bob's period of study of Blavatsky, Bennett and Gurdjieff.   His "Guitar Craft" project was based very much on personal and community discipline - I was bassist for one of his earliest Guitar Craft graduates, Alonzo "Lon" Jones of Tulsa, OK.  There was a lot going on with that music & its presentation this is not apparent unless you knew the man's history. 

In 1974, Robert Fripp—leader of the progressive rock group King Crimson—had a

spiritual experience in which “the top of [his] head blew off.” He became a student

of J. G. Bennett, himself a former student of G. I. Gurdjieff, at Sherborne House in

Gloucestershire, and remains a member of the Bennett Foundation to this day. 


When Fripp returned to the music industry, it was with an approach that favored disciplined

and geometric compositions over the jagged improvisation of the earlier period. This

article explores the influence of Gurdjieff and Bennett’s teaching upon Fripp and his

 work, and his apparent attempts to realize the former’s idea of “objective art” through

his music.  I pay particular attention to the development of Guitar Craft, in which Fripp

applies Gurdjieff’s techniques through the teaching of the guitar. I argue that Fripp’s

teaching is a little examined scion of the Gurdjieff  lineage, and a case study of discrete

cultural production.




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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

TOOAPP doesn't have any imo except for maybe nuages(I never really cared for that one much).

!!!! Angry

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Hmmmm... Favorite tracks from this period? Well, ALL OF THEM! Really! Well, I'm not a big fan of "Requiem", but it works anyway. These albums are so creative! So unique! Do you know anything like that elsewhere?
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Like others here, the three albums were important and essential to my prog-ness in the glam-techno-crazed 80s. Adrian Belew is a genius but, in my opinion, a little too upbeat and high energy for me and the Crimson style. There is so much on Discipline that is Earth-shatteringly amazing, I feel personally slighted when I read people's reviews/opinions that seem to miss it's innovations. I've even tried to make a case that the extraordinary song "Discipline" should be the theme song for the whole Math Rock thing--anybody who's seen it performed live can attest to the high art concentration that the four individual's performing it had to sustain to pull it off. "Thela Hun Jingeet" is a performance art masterpiece--should be credited with starting the whole podcast thing. "Matte Kudasai" is a genius lovesong fusing Japanese sounds with Western perspective. "The Sheltering Sky" is a master class in spatial reverence. "Elephant Talk" is pure fun--to hear, sing along with, dance to. It's an amazing intro to the sonic genius of Belew's guitar playing. "Frame By Frame" is so shocking for each of its four instrumentalists' displays that you can't help but be thrown off balance--until Adrian and the b vox bring it together. And that ChapmanStick! And last, but not least, the crazed and silly (Belew) but musically (Bruford) brash (Bruford) and daring (Bruford) threads are pure entertainment. 
The other two albums are kind of 2.0 and 2.1 versions of Discipline though each have super high points.
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Excellent albums for an 80's prog release period.
I don't really have a favourite as I view them as a collective work of sorts.

I've always considered these three albums this way, as a collective work, very closed related, and very inventive (for the time), with a new musical direction from the previous era. Not the best, but quite good and interesting, certainly worth listening.
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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Excellent albums for an 80's prog release period.
I don't really have a favourite as I view them as a collective work of sorts.

This.
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Discipline is a game changing album. They'd established a new frame and spent a couple of records redeveloping the ideas and extending some. New song ideas refreshed Crimson. And introduced, me anyway, to the Chapman Stick. Beautiful, energetic, neurotic, controlled chaotic...

Outstanding.

And as for the live stuff....
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

TOOAPP doesn't have any imo except for maybe nuages(I never really cared for that one much).

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Originally posted by PJMarten PJMarten wrote:

I love the King Crimson catalogue, however, it took me a while to get to their 80's albums (Discipline, Beat, Three of a Perfect Pair). They failed to impress me initially and I worked my way around this decade. Recently though, I gave these albums a more thorough listen and have gained a new appreciation for them. They are truly unique (just like all of King Crimson's albums really) and fun to listen to. Some of my favorite songs are Frame by Frame, Absent Lovers, and Dig Me. What are your thoughts on these albums and what are your favorite songs?

I love 'em. Discipline is a perfect album, not a note or flam or bend out of place.

Beat is the sequel, and, needless to say, essential.

Three of a Perfect Pair is likewise essential: I love "Sleepless," "Industry" and "Nuages."

This shocks some people, but I hold the '80s iteration of King Crimson on par with the albums with Wetton! Belew and Levin were clearly what Bob and Bill needed to get the cart rolling again.
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