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    Posted: June 09 2020 at 23:07
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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Gentle Giant and PFM


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I always thought that PFM's vocals were more "classical" than they were "modern" like GG's vocals were. GG's vocals remind me of a lot of the classical music that was going around, where the idea was strictly odd anything they could get their fingers and mouths on ... however, I really think that GG's biggest point was using these within a rock context, since no one had really done anything remotely as close to it. It could also be said that some of PFM's vocals were also much more lyrical and aligned with strands of pop music, something which was/is huge in Italy.
 

It's the eclectic nature of the bands that makes me pair them up. Also ,both bands by 1977 had adopted a much more straightforward approach although interestingly both moved towards a more funk based direction that was popular at the time. 
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Return to Forever and Mahavishnu Orchestra get compared often when talking about fusion groups to listen to.
...and yet they are nothing alike.

Imagine being told this, checking out RTF and thinking “not my cuppa” and never bothering with Mahavishnu

Or Weather Report, for that matter! Shocked
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

That would be Yesesis. What a coincidence! Wink

It is isn't it lol. 
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

I think we're still misinterpreting this. It's what bands are often part of a "which is better" or "is more representative of a quintessential sound" comparison. Starcastle would rarely ever win in that battle against Yes for most people under this scenario. Can their sound be compared based on similarities? Yes, absolutely. But no one would ask "who better represents," say, "symphonic prog better, Yes or SC?" Yes has had more of an impact, has way more albums, and clearly directly influenced SC. You may like SC more, but would you recommend them a newcomer to prog? Would you list them as a band that someone may know when trying to describe the classic prog era? No. Genesis and Yes will come up every time (along with KC, Rush, and usually PF).

At least, that's what I think the prompt was clarified as by the OP later in the thread.

Yeah you get it. I mean I don't want to be a dictator, people can do this however they want really.. but what you've posted here was the original intention yes. 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


I think the Prog-Rock band ENGLAND are most often compared to YES, but that's mostly by me. Smile
 
In the poll, I'd probably go with Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, as they're both a bit offbeat and off the wall. Smile

More like Genesis....but not like either really...very underrated band who should have produced more quality prog like their debut...sort of stuff some of you jokers should be listening to , rather than the feckin beatles...😁

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Yes and Genesis... My two favorite bands! Tongue
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

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I would say GG employs more baroque techniques than modern. Especially in those vocal passages. Well, I suppose I hear a lot in GG, maybe some modern and romantic era included :). PFM I mostly hear the romantic influence.

Agreed ... for both Banco and PFM the word "romantic" probably fits a lot better than "progressive" ... 

The last album by BANCO is specially good in this area ... it's a shame that Vittorio's version is not heard more and given more attention ... I would almost say it is spectacular!
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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

No Starcastle comments yet?

You beat me to it!!  LOL!! 


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I think we're still misinterpreting this. It's what bands are often part of a "which is better" or "is more representative of a quintessential sound" comparison. Starcastle would rarely ever win in that battle against Yes for most people under this scenario. Can their sound be compared based on similarities? Yes, absolutely. But no one would ask "who better represents," say, "symphonic prog better, Yes or SC?" Yes has had more of an impact, has way more albums, and clearly directly influenced SC. You may like SC more, but would you recommend them a newcomer to prog? Would you list them as a band that someone may know when trying to describe the classic prog era? No. Genesis and Yes will come up every time (along with KC, Rush, and usually PF).

At least, that's what I think the prompt was clarified as by the OP later in the thread.
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I think the Prog-Rock band ENGLAND are most often compared to YES, but that's mostly by me. Smile
 
In the poll, I'd probably go with Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, as they're both a bit offbeat and off the wall. Smile


Edited by Psychedelic Paul - June 08 2020 at 16:29
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No Starcastle comments yet?
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Originally posted by M27Barney M27Barney wrote:

Dave Kerzner and pink floyd anybody?

How about Eloy and Pink Floyd? Or even Porcupine Tree and Pink Floyd. I'm actually not very familiar with DK so I can't comment.
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I've never heard people compare Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree, very different bands IMO.

What about The Beatles and the Stones? The mainstream music media even invented some conflicts between the two bands, probably to sell more magazines, rather lame if you ask me. I remember talking about this with my older brother, he preferred the Stones to the Beatles (although he loved Abbey Road a lot) and I preferred the Beatles to the Stones. LOL

Well yeah, those are probably the two bands most compared to each other in history I would think. And in that case I'll also mention Journey and Foreigner. They are often compared with each other, and have even often toured together. 
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Dave Kerzner and pink floyd anybody?
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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Gentle Giant and PFM


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I always thought that PFM's vocals were more "classical" than they were "modern" like GG's vocals were. GG's vocals remind me of a lot of the classical music that was going around, where the idea was strictly odd anything they could get their fingers and mouths on ... however, I really think that GG's biggest point was using these within a rock context, since no one had really done anything remotely as close to it. It could also be said that some of PFM's vocals were also much more lyrical and aligned with strands of pop music, something which was/is huge in Italy.

I would say GG employs more baroque techniques than modern. Especially in those vocal passages. Well, I suppose I hear a lot in GG, maybe some modern and romantic era included :). PFM I mostly hear the romantic influence.
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I've never heard people compare Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree, very different bands IMO.

What about The Beatles and the Stones? The mainstream music media even invented some conflicts between the two bands, probably to sell more magazines, rather lame if you ask me. I remember talking about this with my older brother, he preferred the Stones to the Beatles (although he loved Abbey Road a lot) and I preferred the Beatles to the Stones. LOL
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

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I always thought that PFM's vocals were more "classical" than they were "modern" like GG's vocals were. GG's vocals remind me of a lot of the classical music that was going around, where the idea was strictly odd anything they could get their fingers and mouths on ... however, I really think that GG's biggest point was using these within a rock context, since no one had really done anything remotely as close to it. It could also be said that some of PFM's vocals were also much more lyrical and aligned with strands of pop music, something which was/is huge in Italy.
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Originally posted by Mascodagama Mascodagama wrote:

Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Return to Forever and Mahavishnu Orchestra get compared often when talking about fusion groups to listen to.
...and yet they are nothing alike.

Imagine being told this, checking out RTF and thinking “not my cuppa” and never bothering with Mahavishnu

I agree. But they are often "compared" in a discussion of fusion, as are fusion-era Miles Davis and Mwandishi/Headhunters-era Herbie Hancock.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Hi,

What a strange poll ... Tongue 

I would think that The Moody Blues would be lumped with Barclay James Harvest, and you can include "Poor Man's Moody Blues" as a title song!

The rest of the choices are ... silly ... for me ... I'm not sure there is a single band that can stand close to GG.

Ohhh .. thought another one ... some KC copies in the earlier days of Anekdotten and that other band at the time. 

But, I, personally, don't like to compare things like that ... the definition of "ART" pretty much means that a band would create their own path and no one else could ... and I stand with AD2, Can, Faust, PFM, Banco,  Ange, FZ, GD ... and the many bands that did not copy anyone because they didn't need to ... they knew what they were doing and sounding like someone else was not what they were interested in!



Hi,

You can think the poll is strange and the choices are silly all you want but it has generated an interesting discussion that I'm actually learning a lot from, so esta bien. 
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