Prog Artists Most Often Compared to Each Other
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Topic: Prog Artists Most Often Compared to Each Other
Posted By: YESESIS
Subject: Prog Artists Most Often Compared to Each Other
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 19:07
| Think I know who'll win this, but voting should be interesting. |
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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 19:36
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Other: Jethro Tull and Horslips; mostly for prog folk/flute compositions. Barry Devlin, the band leader of Horslips was/is a Tull appreciator and there are a few Horslips tracks that hark back to Tull e.g. Second Avenue (from Aliens) and Teacher, but largely these bands are different animals.
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 19:39
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ELP and Triumvirat ------------- “On the day of my creation, I fell in love with education. And overcoming all frustration, a teacher I became.” — Ernest Vong |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 20:10
| In general, Yes and Genesis are the most lumped together imo. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 21:44
| Classic Yes and Genesis are my two favs---what I love about them is they both have 5 guys who play similar instruments but sound nothing alike---two legendary originals . |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 02:22
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 05:40
I am a huge, huge fan of Horslips and like a lot of Tull as well. I can see some similarities (eg use of flute, concept albums) but Horslips are deeply rooted in Irish folk/myths and are the founders of Celtic Rock. Tull were a blues rock band which explored other formats including prog and prog folk. Horslips were definitely influenced by Tull. Personally, I rate The Tain and The Book of Invasions head of anything Tull did. And Tull never had a re-recording of one of their songs included on a football anthem, either (Put 'em Under Pressure 1990 World Cup) ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
BarryGlibb wrote:Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 06:46
I second this.
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Posted By: The Anders
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 07:00
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I guess many see Genesis and Yes as the archetypical prog bands par excellence, so this is where my vote went. There's no doubt in my mind as to which one I prefer though. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 08:02
That would be Yesesis. What a coincidence!  ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 08:48
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Disclaimer: I don't believe they sound remotely like one another. Many folks seem to think Genesis and Marillion sound similar ------------- 
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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 09:13
"Thirded"? ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 09:22
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Except for a few bass lines, I am not sure why anyone can consider Yes and Genesis even remotely comparable: lyrically, vocally, compositionally not comparable. How about Genesis and Big Big Train. Same band from 1976, just updated. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: JD
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 13:54
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 14:23
| I haven´t ever compare Yes & Genesis, although they are most famous here. I choose Zappa & Beefheart just because they were schoolmates (but made really different music). |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 14:36
 probably the most musically valid... but most compared even though there isn't a comparison in substance or style.. or the more subtle aspects.. obviously Yes v. Genesis and that thanks to Genesis fans who torture us with countless threads.. the definitions of insanity hoping to get different results from those outside the cult that laugh at the notion that boring people to death with soporific music, having too clever by half lyrics and still playing small unis while others rock stadiums and made prog popular and taking it to the masses made for any kind of comparison ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 14:43
| Return to Forever and Mahavishnu Orchestra get compared often when talking about fusion groups to listen to. |
Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 14:43
| Also Banco and PFM. |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 14:55
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I like the ELP v Triumvirate post! What about Yes and Starcastle, musically-wise too? Didn't Kansas and Styx get compared a lot too in the late 70s in their pomp rock prime? Yes and Genesis always get compared due to them being the 'big two' and often bring out a tribalism amongst fanatics, but musically very different when you get down to it.... but I'm teaching everyone to 'suck eggs' there! ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 19:06
| I didn't mean acts that sound a lot alike but one is clearly better than the other, I mean more acts that are often debated which is better. Camel and GG for instance. I mean obviously(as long as you're not breaking forum rules) you can answer this however you want though, and the discussion has definitely been interesting so far. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: June 06 2020 at 01:38
Imagine being told this, checking out RTF and thinking “not my cuppa” and never bothering with Mahavishnu  ------------- Soldato of the Pan Head Mafia. We'll make you an offer you can't listen to. http://bandcamp.com/jpillbox" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp Profile |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: June 06 2020 at 02:38
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1. Yes/Genesis (especially from 1970 - 1973) 2. Beefheart/Zappa (no brainer IMHO) ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 06 2020 at 05:23
Mmmmhhhh!!!!...
Marillion only really sounds like Genesis until Script (included)...
Nut it's clear that untim Chilhood or Straws, they were looking in that
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original ridicule and cloned ridicule??    
Mmmhh!!!!...  Both bands being lead by a religious  dictator jazzman,  pushing his crap beliefs onto his bandmates??   Musically, they're not that far apart either.  Eleventh House and Weather Reports are musically much further away, IMHO
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: June 06 2020 at 06:06
| Interesting and informative discussion so far man. Right on. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 06 2020 at 08:43
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Hi, What a strange poll ...  I would think that The Moody Blues would be lumped with Barclay James Harvest, and you can include "Poor Man's Moody Blues" as a title song! The rest of the choices are ... silly ... for me ... I'm not sure there is a single band that can stand close to GG. Ohhh .. thought another one ... some KC copies in the earlier days of Anekdotten and that other band at the time. But, I, personally, don't like to compare things like that ... the definition of "ART" pretty much means that a band would create their own path and no one else could ... and I stand with AD2, Can, Faust, PFM, Banco, Ange, FZ, GD ... and the many bands that did not copy anyone because they didn't need to ... they knew what they were doing and sounding like someone else was not what they were interested in! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: I prophesy disaster
Date Posted: June 06 2020 at 10:36
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Van der Graaf Generator have been compared to King Crimson, particularly for the darkness of their music. It's worth noting that artists can also be contrasted to each other. For example, I've seen A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers described as the antithesis of Supper's Ready. I've also seen Van der Graaf Generator, in particular Pawn Hearts, described as being for people to whom Gentle Giant is not out-there enough.------------- No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man. |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: June 06 2020 at 11:35
Hi, You can think the poll is strange and the choices are silly all you want but it has generated an interesting discussion that I'm actually learning a lot from, so esta bien.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: June 06 2020 at 14:05
I agree. But they are often "compared" in a discussion of fusion, as are fusion-era Miles Davis and Mwandishi/Headhunters-era Herbie Hancock.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 07 2020 at 00:44
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Other Gentle Giant and PFM |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 07 2020 at 06:20
Hi, I always thought that PFM's vocals were more "classical" than they were "modern" like GG's vocals were. GG's vocals remind me of a lot of the classical music that was going around, where the idea was strictly odd anything they could get their fingers and mouths on ... however, I really think that GG's biggest point was using these within a rock context, since no one had really done anything remotely as close to it. It could also be said that some of PFM's vocals were also much more lyrical and aligned with strands of pop music, something which was/is huge in Italy. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: June 07 2020 at 06:36
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I've never heard people compare Dream Theater and Porcupine Tree, very different bands IMO. What about The Beatles and the Stones? The mainstream music media even invented some conflicts between the two bands, probably to sell more magazines, rather lame if you ask me. I remember talking about this with my older brother, he preferred the Stones to the Beatles (although he loved Abbey Road a lot) and I preferred the Beatles to the Stones.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: June 07 2020 at 11:14
I would say GG employs more baroque techniques than modern. Especially in those vocal passages. Well, I suppose I hear a lot in GG, maybe some modern and romantic era included :). PFM I mostly hear the romantic influence.
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: June 07 2020 at 12:32
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Dave Kerzner and pink floyd anybody? ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: June 07 2020 at 13:08
Well yeah, those are probably the two bands most compared to each other in history I would think. And in that case I'll also mention Journey and Foreigner. They are often compared with each other, and have even often toured together.
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: June 07 2020 at 13:14
How about Eloy and Pink Floyd? Or even Porcupine Tree and Pink Floyd. I'm actually not very familiar with DK so I can't comment.
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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: June 08 2020 at 14:50
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No Starcastle comments yet? ------------- The Prog Corner |
Posted By: Psychedelic Paul
Date Posted: June 08 2020 at 16:26
I think the Prog-Rock band ENGLAND are most often compared to YES, but that's mostly by me. 
In the poll, I'd probably go with Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart, as they're both a bit offbeat and off the wall.
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Posted By: Awesoreno
Date Posted: June 08 2020 at 16:31
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I think we're still misinterpreting this. It's what bands are often part of a "which is better" or "is more representative of a quintessential sound" comparison. Starcastle would rarely ever win in that battle against Yes for most people under this scenario. Can their sound be compared based on similarities? Yes, absolutely. But no one would ask "who better represents," say, "symphonic prog better, Yes or SC?" Yes has had more of an impact, has way more albums, and clearly directly influenced SC. You may like SC more, but would you recommend them a newcomer to prog? Would you list them as a band that someone may know when trying to describe the classic prog era? No. Genesis and Yes will come up every time (along with KC, Rush, and usually PF). At least, that's what I think the prompt was clarified as by the OP later in the thread.
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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: June 08 2020 at 19:35
You beat me to it!! LOL!! ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 06:08
Agreed ... for both Banco and PFM the word "romantic" probably fits a lot better than "progressive" ... The last album by BANCO is specially good in this area ... it's a shame that Vittorio's version is not heard more and given more attention ... I would almost say it is spectacular! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 08:55
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Yes and Genesis... My two favorite bands!
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Posted By: M27Barney
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 10:33
More like Genesis....but not like either really...very underrated band who should have produced more quality prog like their debut...sort of stuff some of you jokers should be listening to , rather than the feckin beatles...😁 ------------- Play me my song.....Here it comes again....... |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 19:41
Yeah you get it. I mean I don't want to be a dictator, people can do this however they want really.. but what you've posted here was the original intention yes.
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 19:42
It is isn't it lol.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 19:46
Or Weather Report, for that matter! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: June 09 2020 at 23:07
It's the eclectic nature of the bands that makes me pair them up. Also ,both bands by 1977 had adopted a much more straightforward approach although interestingly both moved towards a more funk based direction that was popular at the time.
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