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Poll Question: After Covid 19 will we be living in a changed world?
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    Posted: June 03 2020 at 12:48
Six people died in our county yesterday. If that rate continues we are talking over 2,000 for the year from today. The government recently reopened a lot of things and the death rate is moving upwards.


Edited by Easy Money - June 03 2020 at 13:56
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Fifth (and final) option: it just will go worse.
Today's news headlines just confirm it.
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I almost voted for the first one but went with the second.

After this is over no more hugs or hand shaking other than close friends and relatives. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Slartibartfast Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2020 at 07:38
I'm thinking it will be making things bad in the short term but it will probably end up being like the flu of 1918 where we will need to get a vaccine every year. 

Edited by Slartibartfast - April 25 2020 at 07:38
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tom Ozric Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 25 2020 at 06:31
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Option #2. I fear that this might not be just a once in a lifetime incident. Moreover, this pandemic proves to be a powerful tool for imposing some political agendas.
your last sentence has been on my mind for weeks. I worry for the sh*t our politicos will impose on us folk in the future.
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Option #2. I fear that this might not be just a once in a lifetime incident. Moreover, this pandemic proves to be a powerful tool for imposing some political agendas.
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Originally posted by Icarium Icarium wrote:

I will call this the next big paradigme shift hich we will dile our callander and history books after. It will guide our science and political agenda and be a small stone which will have impact on change in both small and large term.

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I'm not exactly a pessimist (wouldn't be alive if that were the case!), but the sad fact is that the only way something will get done and the garbage and smog wars handled is if somewhere, several millions of people get sick and fall from it ... at that point, I think that some world leaders will see this A LOT LESS as a political tool like a couple of folks are doing ... and begin doing something about it, instead of playing online war games complete with great UI's ... for their daily addiction to manipulation and games. 

And maybe some dictators and bad systems will fall with it ... but then, I'm not sure a malady gives a damn who is under it or not ... it hasn't before, and it could also be considered a war ... which was the case in WW1 and WW2 when more innocents died for no cause than anything else ... but what it left behind was not only ugly ... we continue to invest in it!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Icarium Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2020 at 12:37
I will call this the next big paradigme shift hich we will dile our callander and history books after. It will guide our science and political agenda and be a small stone which will have impact on change in both small and large term.

Edited by Icarium - April 16 2020 at 12:39
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Triceratopsoil Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2020 at 11:51
Chinese Wuhan SARS-2 Coronavirus probably isn't the "big one," but when it happens it will happen almost exactly like this
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What disaster does not effect change. Think of the world after 9/11.
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I voted 2 but I expect/fear 1.  Like Lazland, I believe this will spur a quantum leap in automation.  Much greater surveillance of our activities will also be accepted in order to protect us from future pandemics. The recession is also going to be long and painful.  Those expecting a V shaped recovery must be dreaming.  That would have been possible with a co-ordinated response across the world but with the chaos and bickering, the recovery will be chaotic and uneven too.  The US political establishment still appears to believe in outdated economic theories and doesn't understand concepts like velocity of money. A smaller stimulus but one directed towards the little guy would have been far more effective because spending the same unit of money several times over is what spurs demand.  But nah, always big business, big banks, big everything, always bigly.  Our own stimulus has been woefully inadequate. But at least we have a BBB- rating and the idiot credit rating agencies will actually punish us for doing the right thing, so we are constrained (thus giving our own idiot Finance Minister a wonderful alibi).  What does US have to lose?  You print the world's reserve currency and you still debate and curtail the bailout in the face of Great Depression levels of unemployment?  Just doesn't compute.  
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Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

It would be nice if there were significant changes. An international agreement should be put in place that all nations can agree to cooperate with for the next pandemic that takes place. Each country will need to take a long hard look at their own policies to see where they can do better.

As for the U.S., maybe people won't vote in idiots that dismantle portions of the federal government that would have reacted quicker to this pandemic or fill important cabinet positions with industry lobbyists. Maybe people will listen to scientists for a change and take what they say seriously. Maybe we can finally hash out a universal health care system and strengthen our social safety nets. Maybe we can put some sort of policies in place that can pause an economy during a pandemic so that when it is over people can return to their jobs and still retain their businesses. I'm not going to hold my breath that any of this will happen.

All of that would be nice, the greed of the self-centered and the propaganda they spread gets in the way.
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It would be nice if there were significant changes. An international agreement should be put in place that all nations can agree to cooperate with for the next pandemic that takes place. Each country will need to take a long hard look at their own policies to see where they can do better.

As for the U.S., maybe people won't vote in idiots that dismantle portions of the federal government that would have reacted quicker to this pandemic or fill important cabinet positions with industry lobbyists. Maybe people will listen to scientists for a change and take what they say seriously. Maybe we can finally hash out a universal health care system and strengthen our social safety nets. Maybe we can put some sort of policies in place that can pause an economy during a pandemic so that when it is over people can return to their jobs and still retain their businesses. I'm not going to hold my breath that any of this will happen.

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I think the world will be very different, and the changes will be significant. There will be a sense of fear and paranoia among populations, and the media will ensure this is sustained, by always pushing the idea that the next pandemic is just round the corner.

The economic depression will be deep and sustained, the world over. There will be sky high unemployment, and stratospheric levels of crime and disorder, which governments will manage with lockdowns and curfews, which populations will be aclimated to, and broadly accepting of.

On the upside, it's likely that a greater share of each nations GDP will go into healthcare provision.

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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

I really hope we learn from this, but I suspect we won't.

Hi,

I am not wanting to be a pessimist, or anything, but in the end, I think this whole thing says more about the medical establishments in many countries than it does anything else ... that it spreads so fast in places like NY is not a surprise ... the place is over crowded and it needs to be slimmed down badly. It might even signal the end of the over sized cities around the world. (It will bust most "unions" ... since these don't usually do well in small towns!). That is spreads so fast in some regions, just tells you that the conditions for these things are better than in other places ... poor regions mostly and very bad medical conditions with doctors 75 years old still giving you aspirin!

One good thing ... it should improve the working from home on the computer a lot more ... my work at Charter before I retired, could have been done at home, and I would not have minded adding a phone line for it ... but they wanted the "crowd control" and the "eye over your shoulder" a lot more than they were interested in the work being done correctly. In fact, most call centers can be done from home ... but that leaves the middle management folks, of which all Cable Companies are way too full of, in trouble, because you won't need as many "supervisors" and "managers". And Call Center situations are the worst ... our station, and we had a dedicated group for database entry, was dirty and around the computer and behind was a lively nest of little critters that did not bother you ... that never got cleaned up!

Well, I guess I don't vacuum behind my computers, but I got them setup so that it can be cleaned up behind and help keep the dust off them!

So, all in all ... the bigger issue is that most places will try to continue as before ... no changes ... except telling you to use the alcohol again before the next call and DON'T TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBOR ... which is something they were already doing before to prevent socializing at work that has the tendency to create more issues than it resolves!


Edited by moshkito - April 14 2020 at 07:24
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I really hope we learn from this, but I suspect we won't.
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I kind of lean towards the 3rd option, but I honestly think it all depends what country you live in.  It would be great if it made some very significant changes in the attitudes of people in the states, but it most likely won't be very significant there.  Whether or not Trump forces the States into opening up their businesses again, it doesn't matter because he will take the credit if the results are good and will blame everyone else if its bad. 
 
I think we'll see other countries start to take the dangers of spreading illnesses  or viruses more seriously and many of them will think more seriously about the future and what they can do to make things better.  I don't expect that attitude from the States unfortunately.  

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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Much of the human race will be paranoid, O.C.D. germophobes.....
Some will cough and get bashed. Someone will spit and get arrested.
Dunno, people will just slip back into old ways. Just a minor blip in the whole scheme of things. Hope I Live to see it through.

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For rock music, this is probably for the best ... it takes out the big behemoth record company and their adverts in London, NY and Tokyo ... so that we have a chance to see something else instead of ... yet again ... old fogies making fools of themselves!

What it will do is create the VIRTUAL CONCERT, and you buy tickets for it ... so at any night, any band, can "sell out" easily and blow up the location in Seattle that couldn't even sell 3K tickets and caused such a big hoopla about nothing, and did not really support the show at all.

For once, you can get some Phideaux fans together and they will pay their $5 dollars each, and a thousand of these show up on that night, and he can make a small bit of peanuts and get himself a nice dinner for the family! FINALLY!

It's a chance for many bands to show ... and not have to be at the mercy of sick and pathetic hit-based fans, shouting rock'n'roll in the middle of Tangerine Dream that used to happen way back when. 

I have always thought and wanted to see each and every band, in charge of the virtual concert thing, in order to get away from the "media" onslaught that has hurt all kinds of music except their numbered "top ten".

Gads, we might even get to see a new PROGRESSIVE MUSIC come up, instead of hearing hits all the time! AND NOW IS THE TIME TO DO IT BEFORE THE MEDIA BUYS IT ALL OUT AND TURN IT INTO ANOTHER TOP TEN CRAPPER, LIKE THEY DID FM RADIO IN AMERICA.




Edited by moshkito - April 13 2020 at 19:04
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I've gone for option 2.   I think there will be significant changes, but it may take some years before we can look back and see that the change was a consequence of the pandemic.
 
One of the major impacts that I see coming out of this is around nationalism and populism.
 
As soon as this crisis took off, citizens everywhere looked to their national governments to give them the security that they needed, and not to supranational bodies like the European Union.
 
The EU was largely impotent up until the belated and half hearted financial package announced last week.
 
All the grand ideas like Schengen and freedom of movement evaporated in a heartbeat as nations took back control of their borders and moved to regulate citizens' movements.
 
At the same time it seems that experts are back in fashion.
 
In a medical crisis like this people want the opinion of experts, not the soundbites of populist politicians.
 
My prediction, therefore, is that one of the legacies of Covid 19 will be an increase in nationalism, as citizens demand that control remains with the nation state, but, on the other hand, I see a movement away from populists, as expert opinion is favoured over soundbites and slogans.
 
So, more nationalism, but nations that are guided more by technical expertise than by populists.
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