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Chipiron
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Topic: Young persons guide to Prog Posted: September 26 2005 at 08:25 |
Thank you all! I think I have enough stuff now...
P.S.: There was no romantic intention... It's just pedagogy (do you write it that way?) and I think there was another thread on "romantic prog rock", but You've given me some very good suggestions 
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lunaticviolist
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 02:37 |
These are some prog tracks I choose to introduce people to the art form (of course the choice depends on the person).
21st Century Schizoid Man -- King Crimson (classic)
Back in NYC -- Genesis (probably the only "punk"-sounding song in 7/8)
Sealion -- Jethro Tull (definitely depends on the person you're giving the CD to)
A Time and a Place, Karn Evil 9 (1st, Part 2) -- ELP
Of course, the choice is yours. 
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Garion81
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 02:02 |
Song for America -Kansas
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Nipsey88
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 01:00 |
Mnemosyne wrote:
IF there's a romantic intent, try some Porcupine
Tree... Something like "...it's so erotic when your make-up runs"
should work... |
Always worked for me (glances down)...
The concensus seems to be to "ease" the listener into prog with more
mainstreamy stuff, then get more complex as they get used to it...good
call.
Although, funny enough, one album that always gets raves from my non-prog friends is Anekdoten's Vemod...go figure.
Edited by Nipsey88
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jefmoret
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Posted: September 24 2005 at 00:52 |
I think another thing to keep in mind is what this person is already a
fan of...for a Metallica fan, go with DT, Threshold, Dead Soul Tribe...
The other approach is to go with things that they would be more likely to recognize, things that have gotten radio airplay...
Rush-Tom Sawyer, Closer to the Heart, Spirit of the Radio
Yes-Long Distance Runaround, I've Seen All Good People
ELP-Karn Evil 9 (1st Impression Part 2), Lucky Man
Genesis-Abacab, No Reply At All, Taking It All To Hard
Kansas-Carry On Wayward Son, Point of Know Return
Peter Gabriel-Games Without Frontiers,Solsbury Hill
Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here, Money, Mother, On The Turning Away
...people are more likely to react positively to something they are
familiar with...you then find out which tracks they liked more, and go
from there...if they liked Yes, start feeding them Gentle Giant and
King Crimson, if they liked Rush go with A.C.T and Enchant, etc etc
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Bj-1
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 17:49 |
Symphonic Prog: Album openers are usually easy to aquire, even though some of them are pretty weird. Here's some suggestions from me!
- Yes - Close To The Edge
- Emerson Lake & Palmer - The Endless Enigma
- Gentle Giant - The Runaway
- Genesis - Watcher Of The Skies
- King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man
- Steve Hackett - Ace Of Wands
- Pink Floyd - Shine On Your Crazy Diamond 1
- Van Der Graaf Generator - Killer
Progressive Metal: Im pretty sure that if he like's a couple of the following track's, he'll love the other prog-metal bands too!
- Dream Theater - Metropolis Part 1: The Miracle & The Sleeper
- Dream Theater - The Glass Prison
- Dream Theater - New Millenium
- Symphony X - The Accolade
- Symphony X - Through The Looking Glass
- Symphony X - Egypt
- Meshuggah - Future Breed Machine
Jazz-Rock/Fusion: Frank Zappa and Brand X should do the job!
- Frank Zappa - Peaches En Regalia
- Frank Zappa - Zoot Alures
- Frank Zappa - Keep It Greasey
- Brand X - Nuclear Burn
- Brand X - Why Shold I Lend You Mine
- Brand X - Black Moon
- Gong - Expresso
- Gong - Chandra
- Soft Machine - Teeth
Prog-Folk: Jethro Tull!!!
- Jethro Tull - A Passion Play part 1
- Jethro Tull - Thick As a Brick part 1
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Add some of those tracks to your current track list, and im sure he will find out what he will like.
Good luck!
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Odd24
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 16:18 |
pero wrote:
Dont introduce him with prog recording Supertramp Try those:
Experience - Gentle giant
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R U serious? OK, I give this song 10/10 but I'm afraid my friends will not understand me what I love about this song...and I'm afraid this is no beginners stuff...
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Right down the line
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Dieu
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 15:28 |
Selling England did the trick a couple of time for my friends.
Dieu
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Fritha
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 15:09 |
Something very melodic should work, I think. Nothing too extreme.
The live version of Thick as a Brick on the remastered version of TAAB might do the trick; I eased myself into the record by listening to that one first. It clocks at 10+ minutes if my memory serves me. Shouldn't be too hard to get through even for a newbie.
Winter Wine from Caravan's In The Land of Grey and Pink -so beautiful, even for the uninitiated ears. A nice introduction to Canterbury prog, as well.
Exiles by King Crimson perhaps...or The Night Watch. Or indeed Starless which does have such a magical beginning, she might even be able to endure the latter part of the song 
Not too hard to think of some songs by Genesis, there are many that spring to mind: Entangled, Mad Man Moon, Firth of Fifth, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight...
Starship Trooper was the first Yes song that I got into when I bought The Yes Album -the first half of the song in particular. But then I'm weird that way as I really never got into Roundabout...most people, of course, do seem to find it catchy and engaging enough.
Right, that will do for starters. 
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DEzerov
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 14:31 |
Univers Zero's Heresie or Devil Dol's Dies Irie would be purrrrfect introductions to prog.....
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Prodigal
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 14:24 |
Genesis - I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) Gentle Giant - Playing The Game Pink Floyd - Money Rush - Closer To The Heart Yes - Roundabout / Parallels
Nice and catchy prog tunes for newbies. 
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Suki
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 12:48 |
I doubt you can introduce him to Prog like that - I think the interest should be on his part.
For example, I have a good friend who is quite aware of Progressive and
is always listening to when I talk about it, couple days ago he asked
me on recommendations.
There is another friend of mine that knew of Dream Theater but never
took them seriously, after some night talks he suddenly started
listening to their CDs A LOT. Now he thinks Prog is the best thing
ever, keeps talking about it and my friends keep saying 'Give him your
CDs already!!!'.
That's also interest of his part.
Why do I think it is important? simply, in order to enter prog you need
lots of patience and curiosity, and if that friend of yours isn't
interested to he will abandon it after couple of minutes.
Also, I think you should give him complete albums, as a friend of mine
one heard 'One Last Time', didn't find what's so interesting in DT
until the moron heard the whole CD...
All in all, I'd suggest some easy prog metal stuff, like DT, Symphony
X, Everygrey, Queensryche (Operation Mindcrime, especially), Liquid
Tension Experiment
Prog Rock, well, I'll suggest Camel's Snow Goose (I know I got into it in the first time), Moonmadness as well..
Yes - Close to the Edge..
King Crimson - ITCOCK, Red
IQ - Dark Matter
Marillion - Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood, Marbles, Seasons End
Genesis - Selling England...
That's it for now..
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FishyMonkey
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 12:05 |
Ease her in with Roundabout, I Seen All Good People, Yours is No
Disgrace, the fun happy songs by Yes that are still very progressive.
Ya know, the ones that all college kids know and love. She should also
enjoy Porcupine Tree for sure to start...hell, I started with Porcupine
Tree and 500 bands later they are still my favorite. Then I'd go
to...hmm, King Crimson possibly, Red has soem good catches, as does
Discipline. If she's into metal, Pain of Salvation and Ark are musts.
Opeth eventually. Then slowly the rest.
That's all I got.
EDIT: Oh, can't beat Pink Floyd.
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Phil
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:36 |
^ Hmm, I was actually thinking of a bottle of wine and a meal or a movie
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Mnemosyne
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:33 |
IF there's a romantic intent, try some Porcupine Tree... Something like "...it's so erotic when your make-up runs" should work...
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I'm a Man-Owl-Fish.
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Phil
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:12 |
Actually may I ask...is this a genuine, altruistic endeavour to try and
educate and illuminate, or is there some romantic intent?
Because if there is, you may be barking up the wrong tree......
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Phil
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:07 |
horza wrote:
[QUOTE=maidenrulez] the residents-Songs for the swinging larvae.
Magma the whole udu wudu album.
Van Der Graaf Generator-A plague of lighthouse keepers.
The Mars Volta-Cassandra gemmini
Gentle giant-Octopus
good grief we don't want to frighten her off  |
Yes I think 32+ minutes of Cassandra Gemini is a pretty bracing
introduction. I think the man wanted something a little easier on the
ear....
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Mnemosyne
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:03 |
Jethro TUll- Songs from The Wood
King Crimson- 21st Century Schizoid Man (this song started everything)
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I'm a Man-Owl-Fish.
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BaldJean
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 10:07 |
our kids are 3, and their introduction to prog is "Fairy Tales" by Mother Gong, an album which they absolutely love
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A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta
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horza
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Posted: September 23 2005 at 10:03 |
[QUOTE=maidenrulez] the residents-Songs for the swinging larvae.
Magma the whole udu wudu album.
Van Der Graaf Generator-A plague of lighthouse keepers.
The Mars Volta-Cassandra gemmini
Gentle giant-Octopus
good grief we don't want to frighten her off
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