Young person’s guide to Prog
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Topic: Young person’s guide to Prog
Posted By: Chipiron
Subject: Young person’s guide to Prog
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 06:56
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Dear proggers, I’d like you to help me. I want to record one CD to introduce a friend to Prog music. It should contain accessible but representative and interesting songs to make her feel curiosity and continue exploring. I have thought of some songs: · School – Supertramp · Cast a pebble – ELP · Hocus Pocus – Focus · Carry on wayward son – Kansas · Wish you were here – PF · Time and a word – Yes (from Yessongs) · Firth of Fifth – Genesis · Starless – King Crimson  ------------- [IMG]http://www.belderrain.es/GIFs/tora.gif"> |
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Posted By: OT Räihälä
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 06:59
| Think Of Me With Kindness - Gentle Giant |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:01
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the residents-Songs for the swinging larvae. Magma the whole udu wudu album. Van Der Graaf Generator-A plague of lighthouse keepers. The Mars Volta-Cassandra gemmini Gentle giant-Octopus
or yes-roundabout Jetrho tull-aqualung porcupine tree-sound of muzak some dream theater perhaps? ELP-Hoedown ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:07
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Anything NEO-PROG also ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:14
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Sylvia - Focus Ripples - Genesis Dancing with the moonlit knight - Genesis Turn of the century - Yes Lucky Man - ELP Born Brilliant - IQ Can you understand - Renaisance Subdivisions - Rush Pseudo silk Kimono/Kayleigh - Marillion ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: pero
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:15
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Dont introduce him with prog recording Supertramp Supper's ready - Genesis Expirience - Gentle giant Roundabout - Yes Book of saturday KC
Hocus pocus Take a peble - ELP
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Try those:
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:24
I would ditch Supertramp altogether and for Yes maybe have "Roundabout" (suggested elsewhere!) or "Yours is No Disgrace" as a starter. Mind you your selection is very much toward the symphonic type pf prog. Could stick a Zappa track in there for variety (says he listening to Hot Rats at the mo...) - try "Peaches En Regalia" as a shorter tune. |
Chipiron wrote:Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:25
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Pretty good start, but I'd also skip the Supertramp. I don't think Time and a Word is on Yessongs, you could go for Roundabout or Perpetual Change. How about something from Rush Farewell to Kings? Also you could throw in some recent stuff from IQ, Pendragon, Glass Hammer etc. |
Posted By: Lindsay Lohan
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:26
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Camel-Rhayader King Crimson-21st century schizoid man ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Fjuffe/?chartstyle=sideRed - [IMG - http://imagegen.last.fm/sideRed/recenttracks/Fjuffe.gif - |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:32
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Some songs that I'd include: Gentle Giant - Free Hand Jethro Tull - Songs From The Wood Van Der Graaf Generator - Undercover Man |
Posted By: Violenza
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:42
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If they're a young person, maybe throwing some Porcupine Tree or Mars Volta would be a good idea, as it may not be too far from what they are accustomed to. Throw some new stuff in any way; it may make prog more appealing if the person knows its still alive and well rather than some old fart music that died long ago. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 07:57
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Personally I would avoid 'Hocus Pocus' I have yet to meet anyone outside the progosphere who thinks that yodelling is in the least bit funny. They think it's ridiculous and that grown men should know better. I reckon Sylvia or House of the King would be better. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 08:02
Well... let's say we're both 30 - something year old farts ------------- [IMG]http://www.belderrain.es/GIFs/tora.gif"> |
Posted By: Dieu
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 08:25
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I often make some CD to introduce people to prog, and in my experience, you better make it classic. When you are into prog like us, you tend to like more complex song or group, like Dancing with the moonlit knight, supper's ready or Roundabout (this one not complex but long). You better make it safe. Like Long distance runaround, I know what I like, etc. No 20 minutes songs. And wait for a second CD to introduce Van Der Graaf, and other "pure" prog band. It's not for virgin ears. Dieu
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Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 09:02
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What God wants, God gets, n'est-ce pas, Dieu? ------------- Pierre R, the man who lost his signature |
Posted By: rockandrail
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 09:11
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To fit the subject: I tried to do that and could not on 1 single CD. Too many things. I chose a 5 CDs format following chronological order from pre-prog psychedelia to early neo prog with a mix of Symphonic, Jazz-influenced, Canterbury, "Kraut".... No epics. Just mid size songs. I am now working on an extensive sort of anthology. I already compiled material for over 30 CDs. It's a nice and funny job to do since it forces to listen carefully, to balance, to compare, to check what fits best next. ------------- Pierre R, the man who lost his signature |
Posted By: Dieu
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 10:00
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Posted By: horza
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 10:03
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[QUOTE=maidenrulez] the residents-Songs for the swinging larvae. Magma the whole udu wudu album. Van Der Graaf Generator-A plague of lighthouse keepers. The Mars Volta-Cassandra gemmini Gentle giant-Octopus good grief we don't want to frighten her off  ------------- Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 10:07
our kids are 3, and their introduction to prog is "Fairy Tales" by Mother Gong, an album which they absolutely love 
-------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Mnemosyne
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:03
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Jethro TUll- Songs from The Wood King Crimson- 21st Century Schizoid Man (this song started everything) ------------- I'm a Man-Owl-Fish. Creator-Observer-Muse. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:07
Yes I think 32+ minutes of Cassandra Gemini is a pretty bracing introduction. I think the man wanted something a little easier on the ear.... |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:12
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Actually may I ask...is this a genuine, altruistic endeavour to try and
educate and illuminate, or is there some romantic intent? Because if there is, you may be barking up the wrong tree...... |
Posted By: Mnemosyne
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:33
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IF there's a romantic intent, try some Porcupine Tree... Something like "...it's so erotic when your make-up runs" should work... ------------- I'm a Man-Owl-Fish. Creator-Observer-Muse. |
Posted By: Phil
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 11:36
| ^ Hmm, I was actually thinking of a bottle of wine and a meal or a movie |
Posted By: FishyMonkey
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 12:05
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Ease her in with Roundabout, I Seen All Good People, Yours is No
Disgrace, the fun happy songs by Yes that are still very progressive.
Ya know, the ones that all college kids know and love. She should also
enjoy Porcupine Tree for sure to start...hell, I started with Porcupine
Tree and 500 bands later they are still my favorite. Then I'd go
to...hmm, King Crimson possibly, Red has soem good catches, as does
Discipline. If she's into metal, Pain of Salvation and Ark are musts.
Opeth eventually. Then slowly the rest. That's all I got. EDIT: Oh, can't beat Pink Floyd. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/FishyMonkey/?chartstyle=artists"> 
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Posted By: Suki
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 12:48
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I doubt you can introduce him to Prog like that - I think the interest should be on his part. For example, I have a good friend who is quite aware of Progressive and is always listening to when I talk about it, couple days ago he asked me on recommendations. There is another friend of mine that knew of Dream Theater but never took them seriously, after some night talks he suddenly started listening to their CDs A LOT. Now he thinks Prog is the best thing ever, keeps talking about it and my friends keep saying 'Give him your CDs already!!!'. That's also interest of his part. Why do I think it is important? simply, in order to enter prog you need lots of patience and curiosity, and if that friend of yours isn't interested to he will abandon it after couple of minutes. Also, I think you should give him complete albums, as a friend of mine one heard 'One Last Time', didn't find what's so interesting in DT until the moron heard the whole CD... All in all, I'd suggest some easy prog metal stuff, like DT, Symphony X, Everygrey, Queensryche (Operation Mindcrime, especially), Liquid Tension Experiment Prog Rock, well, I'll suggest Camel's Snow Goose (I know I got into it in the first time), Moonmadness as well.. Yes - Close to the Edge.. King Crimson - ITCOCK, Red IQ - Dark Matter Marillion - Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood, Marbles, Seasons End Genesis - Selling England... That's it for now.. |
Posted By: Prodigal
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 14:24
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Genesis - I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) |
Posted By: DEzerov
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 14:31
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Univers Zero's Heresie or Devil Dol's Dies Irie would be purrrrfect introductions to prog.....
------------- The moon is made by some lame cooper and you can see the idiot has no idea about moons at all - Nikolay Gogol |
Posted By: Fritha
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 15:09
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Something very melodic should work, I think. Nothing too extreme. The live version of Thick as a Brick on the remastered version of TAAB might do the trick; I eased myself into the record by listening to that one first. It clocks at 10+ minutes if my memory serves me. Shouldn't be too hard to get through even for a newbie. Winter Wine from Caravan's In The Land of Grey and Pink -so beautiful, even for the uninitiated ears. A nice introduction to Canterbury prog, as well. Exiles by King Crimson perhaps...or The Night Watch. Or indeed Starless which does have such a magical beginning, she might even be able to endure the latter part of the song Not too hard to think of some songs by Genesis, there are many that spring to mind: Entangled, Mad Man Moon, Firth of Fifth, Dancing with the Moonlit Knight... Starship Trooper was the first Yes song that I got into when I bought The Yes Album -the first half of the song in particular. But then I'm weird that way as I really never got into Roundabout...most people, of course, do seem to find it catchy and engaging enough. Right, that will do for starters. ------------- I was made to love magic |
Posted By: Dieu
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 15:28
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Selling England did the trick a couple of time for my friends. Dieu |
Posted By: Odd24
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 16:18
R U serious? OK, I give this song 10/10 but I'm afraid my friends will not understand me what I love about this song...and I'm afraid this is no beginners stuff... ------------- Right down the line |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 23 2005 at 17:49
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Symphonic Prog: Album openers are usually easy to aquire, even though some of them are pretty weird. Here's some suggestions from me!
Progressive Metal: Im pretty sure that if he like's a couple of the following track's, he'll love the other prog-metal bands too!
Jazz-Rock/Fusion: Frank Zappa and Brand X should do the job!
Prog-Folk: Jethro Tull!!!
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------------------- Add some of those tracks to your current track list, and im sure he will find out what he will like. Good luck! ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: jefmoret
Date Posted: September 24 2005 at 00:52
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I think another thing to keep in mind is what this person is already a
fan of...for a Metallica fan, go with DT, Threshold, Dead Soul Tribe... The other approach is to go with things that they would be more likely to recognize, things that have gotten radio airplay... Rush-Tom Sawyer, Closer to the Heart, Spirit of the Radio Yes-Long Distance Runaround, I've Seen All Good People ELP-Karn Evil 9 (1st Impression Part 2), Lucky Man Genesis-Abacab, No Reply At All, Taking It All To Hard Kansas-Carry On Wayward Son, Point of Know Return Peter Gabriel-Games Without Frontiers,Solsbury Hill Pink Floyd-Wish You Were Here, Money, Mother, On The Turning Away ...people are more likely to react positively to something they are familiar with...you then find out which tracks they liked more, and go from there...if they liked Yes, start feeding them Gentle Giant and King Crimson, if they liked Rush go with A.C.T and Enchant, etc etc |
Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: September 24 2005 at 01:00
Always worked for me (glances down)...  The concensus seems to be to "ease" the listener into prog with more mainstreamy stuff, then get more complex as they get used to it...good call. Although, funny enough, one album that always gets raves from my non-prog friends is Anekdoten's Vemod...go figure. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nipsey88/?chartstyle=myspace02" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Garion81
Date Posted: September 24 2005 at 02:02
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Song for America -Kansas ------------- 
"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?" |
Posted By: lunaticviolist
Date Posted: September 24 2005 at 02:37
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These are some prog tracks I choose to introduce people to the art form (of course the choice depends on the person). 21st Century Schizoid Man -- King Crimson (classic) Back in NYC -- Genesis (probably the only "punk"-sounding song in 7/8) Sealion -- Jethro Tull (definitely depends on the person you're giving the CD to) A Time and a Place, Karn Evil 9 (1st, Part 2) -- ELP Of course, the choice is yours.
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Posted By: Chipiron
Date Posted: September 26 2005 at 08:25
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Thank you all! I think I have enough stuff now... P.S.: There was no romantic intention... It's just pedagogy (do you write it that way?) and I think there was another thread on "romantic prog rock", but You've given me some very good suggestions ------------- [IMG]http://www.belderrain.es/GIFs/tora.gif"> |