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Topic: Modern-Rock Ensemble > Eclectic/ Symph?
Posted: December 15 2016 at 03:01

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Posted: December 15 2016 at 02:50

Now added to Neo.

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Posted: December 14 2016 at 04:59

Oh, I missed Damo's last comments. We are just waiting for inclusion. I'll have to get this back in my ear buds again soon. Start thinking about my review again.

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Posted: December 14 2016 at 04:57

I hope to see Modern Rock-Ensemble on here. Andrew asked me to give my thoughts on the album before it ever became a CD. It don't think it fits the neo-prog style at all. It has two short keyboard instrumentals, one mini-epic, one epic, and an old mini-epic jazz-tinged live performance. The mini-epic and epics combine a variety of styles. Could this band be in eclectic prog?

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Posted: December 11 2016 at 01:15

Finally approved as a Neo combo.

Now waiting for inclusion. ..

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Posted: November 21 2016 at 16:07

Tossed to Crossover Team.

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Posted: November 21 2016 at 10:28

Matti wrote:

I'm sorry Ivan, I didn't mean to attack on you (I do understand it sounded like that). In fact, I would have deleted my stupid comment afterwards yesterday if I had had the opportunity.

You see, I felt frustrated yesterday for the way this case (that I thought would be pretty fast) has been stuck in inactivity. Symphonic team acted fast, that's true.

I think with this subgenre bureaucracy we sometimes tend to take too seriously the whole business of artist addition. (Well, I myself used to be perhaps too careless in team work: when busy, I just gave less time for evaluation and voted quickly.

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I understand Matti, I've been there.

Pushing for a band to be included for months and never finding a reply, it's frustrating.

I thank Andrew's position, in his place I would be screaming in blue fonts Wink

...But I've been on the other side too,

We are a short team (3 members), that's why we contact each other in minutes and normally have the answer the same day, that's why I seem over protective with the team, but other teams are bigger, and sometimes a couple members don't come for weeks and that paralyzes everything.

When we started, Symphonic was the most popular genre, we had 10 suggestions per day, luckily HT, Raff, Micky, Fragile DT, ClemofNazareth and I joined every night to discuss each band and replied in 5 or 6 days at the max.

But we were special, we loved to do that, we loved to chat every night because we had very much in common, we managed to write 120 bios in 30 days (Some very onscure bands) but real life caught us...Micky married Raff, I got a new job and my soon to be wife told me to limit my hours on PA, Fragile DT entered to the University, Clem went Folk and HT started to spend more time with his son, and now we can't afford that....So 3 guys that contact by PM s the best way for us (Myself, Louis and Anton), we receive a band and try to listen them that same night or faster if possible, because we know what the artists feel.

Please keep me informed about the progress of this band to my PM, I will see what I can do.

PEACE

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 21 2016 at 10:36

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Posted: November 21 2016 at 10:03

Matti wrote:

]I think with this subgenre bureaucracy we sometimes tend to take too seriously the whole business of artist addition.

We have been there before. It didn't end well

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Posted: November 21 2016 at 09:41

Let’s drink to Peace and Friendship! Smile

Thank you, Matti, SillyPuppy, Ivan and other guys for clarification. Now we understood that PA have not forgotten about our project. It eased our mind a lot. However, now we have to start from the scratch Smile . Hopefully, we will not end up with “Progressive Hip Hop”. If to say seriously – we understand that PA reviewers are volunteers and really life is not that simple. There are families, jobs and at least a mood to listen to somebody else’s music, and there is a lot of it. Irrespectively to what happens to our project, PA is doing a great job by providing a lot of information about progressive rock music and in Ukraine the website is very popular. Thank you all for cooperation. We are entering round No3.

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Posted: November 21 2016 at 00:28

Guldbamsen wrote:

Top tip: seeing as you are the one who suggested them and furthermore have complete access to the collab zone (AND know the band in question) then why not suggest this band directly to the team you find the most suitable?

Don't worry, I've done that and I'm well aware of the system.

This has been the situation with Modern-Rock Ensemble for a very long time, as far as I know: the subgenre choices came down to either Neo or Crossover and the teams were informed.

From my point of view: Neo or Crossover, not a big deal! How could that little decision take such a long time? But yeah, letting my frustration show openly does no good anyway.

So, my apology to everyone, especially to Neo guys for being under pressure in this case.

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Posted: November 21 2016 at 00:06

I'm sorry Ivan, I didn't mean to attack on you (I do understand it sounded like that). In fact, I would have deleted my stupid comment afterwards yesterday if I had had the opportunity.

You see, I felt frustrated yesterday for the way this case (that I thought would be pretty fast) has been stuck in inactivity. Symphonic team acted fast, that's true.

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Posted: November 20 2016 at 18:00

I'm sorry with Andrew Nazarenko, because he should had been informed before that we didn't accepted Modern-Rock Ensemble in Symphonic....That's why we respond in 48 hours max, for consideration to the musicians (That and because there are very few Symphonic suggestions lately. Wink

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But we were notified in our thread, created for this purpose and we replied there to the member who suggested Andrew in the same thread.

Hope you get a reply soon.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 20 2016 at 18:07

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Posted: November 20 2016 at 17:18

Matti wrote:

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

It's clear it has Prog orientation, but we're not even sure it's fully Prog.

Sorry.

This ridiculous slowness of things feels like "The more you keep on asking, the less interested we are in assisting in the adding process."

I feel a bit ashamed for PA, being the one who suggested the artist.

Comments like this one really bother me. We try to be faster than anybody, and still people complain, despite they have access to the Collaborators Zone.

We replied about Modern-Rock Ensemble in September 5, 6 and 7 in a lapse of 48.30 hours after notified

Check our thread, here are the posts

SOURCE: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40350&KW=Modern-Rock+Ensemble&PN=152

siLLy puPPy wrote:

Posted: September 05, 2016 at 11:30

Hey symphonic ones!

Andrew Nazerenko was kind enough to send me a copy of the newly released "Touch The Mystery" by his project Modern Rock Ensemble. After only one spin it is really a no brainer that this should be included on PA as it is a collection of highly dense and intricate prog workouts albeit on the mellow side.

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The only question is where it should be placed. It seems like it mostly falls into the symphonic prog realm but it also is very spacey and i could see it being space rock as well. It also incorporates all kinds of other sounds ranging from indo raga to smooth jazz, so possibly even eclectic.

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We were notified IN OUR THREAD on September 5 of this year, and I replied in 6 hours

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Posted on September 5, 2016 at 17:03

Heard the full album samples in Bandcamp.

1.- Meditations: Acoustic Rock with Prog Leanings
2.- What will happen to My Country?: Ambient with a nice organ
3.- Touch my Mistery: The closer they get to Symphonic but a biot too jazzy
4.- My Angels: I listen more nice New Age style.
5.- Swamp: Prog it is, but a blend of Hard Rock, Jazz and a lot more

Honestly, I listen more Crossover.

Not Symphonic material IMO, but the team members will also give heir opinions.

My whole team replied in 15 and 48.30 hours

rdtprog wrote:

Posted on September 6, 2016 at 05:22

Modern-Rock Ensemble - too much styles of music to be in the symphonic genre. Crossover

SouthSideoftheSky wrote:

Posted on September 7, 2016 at 12:11

Okey, the concensus seems to be Crossover; so, let's send it there.

So in 48 hours we replied by unanimous votes to the member who suggested them.

And to make it more abundant, DamoXt7942 gently informed that the Neo Team were checking them, but still we took the tome to check again.

DamoXt7942 wrote:

Posted: 05 September 2016 at 11:30

^ Now under evaluation also in Neo Team.

So please, don't tell us to be faster, we replied in less than two days to the person that suggested them (In the thread they were suggested) and we were gently told by the Neo Team that they were under revision.

Our team responds normally in 24 or 48 hours after notified at the maximum and this is well known by each and every member of the forum.

I just found this thread with an ambiguous title yesterday and just mentioned that they were checked several months ago before we received a sermon.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 20 2016 at 18:18

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Posted: November 20 2016 at 03:59

They ended up evaluated by the neo-team, I don't find them right for neo, so cross-over and eclectic need to look at them as well when they can, if they can.

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Posted: November 20 2016 at 03:24

No need for that Matti. Some times things are slow - people are busy in real life with either family or their jobs...or maybe they've got soooooo many bands to check out whenever they visit this place, that it just seems insurmountable.
Anyway 2-3 months is nothing compared to some other acts here on PA. That is not to say that it wouldn't be nice if we could add every band in a week, but that is not going to happen (although it occasionally does).

Top tip: seeing as you are the one who suggested them and furthermore have complete access to the collab zone (AND know the band in question) then why not suggest this band directly to the team you find the most suitable?
Slinging mud in the open forum does noone good.

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Posted: November 20 2016 at 02:42

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

It's clear it has Prog orientation, but we're not even sure it's fully Prog.

Sorry.

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Posted: November 19 2016 at 18:19

We received this suggestion some months ago, we checked it and the decision was unanimous, not Symphonic.

It's clear it has Prog orientation, but we're not even sure it's fully Prog.

Sorry.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - November 19 2016 at 18:23

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Posted: November 11 2016 at 16:11

^ Now almost all of Neo Team members (including me Unhappy

) are a tad too pressed with their real life and work methinks. Would you please give us more time?

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Posted: November 11 2016 at 08:04

One 'move' and one 'yes' in Neo, with two team members still to vote...who apparently are unable to use progfreak for some reason...even though they have an account there Confused

: http://progfreak.com/Modern-Rock-Ensemble-167186.html?path=pa/recent. I can't access the collab zone myself to read any comments that might have been made about this artist in the Neo team thread...but you can Matti! Smile

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Posted: November 10 2016 at 23:52

Indeed a valid question! I never would have thought it would take this long.