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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

LOL

Tull and Strawbs are way more proggy than Fairport and Steeleye.  They are both primarily prog artists, with folk thrown in here and there to varying degrees, Strawbs obviously more than Tull, while Steeleye and Fairport are the opposite.  There may be some other possible miscategorizations but I don't think these are inexplicable at all.  

I think the best way to visualize this is looking at the core run of albums by each artists during their commercial and artistic peaks, which are more or less coincident for arguments sake.  Those of Fairport and Steeleye are folk rock albums, with a bit more prog creeping into Steeleye than into Fairport.  Those of Strawbs are prog folk and those of Tull are eclectic prog, I mean prog folk!  Stackridge?  Who cares?  The best thing they ever did was "Everyone's Gotta Learn Sometime" by Korgis  Tongue
We'll agree to disagree....both Fairport and Span belong in that category as much as those named...period. But then I don't run the web site.....or it would be different. Again this is all totally subjective depending on who is calling the shots.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

1) TAAB 2) Stormcock plus the first 8 Strawbs albums.
 
I just discovered that Stormcock is a Roy Harper album, which puts him at second place in the poll. Smile
 
There's no sign of the Strawbs in the Top 10 so far though.
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This is how the poll looks so far after the first count-up of the votes:-
 
1. JETHRO TULL - Thick as a Brick (102 points)
2. ROY HARPER - Stormcock (50 points)
3. COMUS - First Utterance (33 points)
4. ALAN STIVELL - Renaissance of the Celtic Harp (30 points)
4. THE GHOST - When You're Dead - One Second (30 points)
4. JETHRO TULL - A Passion Play (30 points)
7. JAN DUKES DE GREY - Mice & Rats in the Loft (29 points)
8. FLAIRCK - Gevecht met de Engel (20 points)
8. SPIROGYRA - Bells, Boots & Shambles (20 points)
8. DEAD CAN DANCE - Within the Realm of a Dying Sun (20 points)
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The administers do their best, and maybe TAAB is not prog folk. Eclectic may be a better choice?

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

LOL

Tull and Strawbs are way more proggy than Fairport and Steeleye.  They are both primarily prog artists, with folk thrown in here and there to varying degrees, Strawbs obviously more than Tull, while Steeleye and Fairport are the opposite.  There may be some other possible miscategorizations but I don't think these are inexplicable at all.  

I think the best way to visualize this is looking at the core run of albums by each artists during their commercial and artistic peaks, which are more or less coincident for arguments sake.  Those of Fairport and Steeleye are folk rock albums, with a bit more prog creeping into Steeleye than into Fairport.  Those of Strawbs are prog folk and those of Tull are eclectic prog, I mean prog folk!  Stackridge?  Who cares?  The best thing they ever did was "Everyone's Gotta Learn Sometime" by Korgis  Tongue


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except that TAAB is not a prog folk album, not even close.
 
I can accept that, because if TAAB was a prog folk album, I probably wouldn't like it (whereas I do like it... because it rocks).
 
However, Prog Folk is how TAAB is classified by PA, so that's how I classify it for the purpose of these threads.
 
 
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.
1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
Same.
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.
1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
That's 30 points coming Jethro Tull's way from you plus another 30 points from Mortte for the same album, so they're off to a storming lead in the poll already. Smile
And another 30 points for "Thick as a Brick" for me as well.


except that TAAB is not a prog folk album, not even close.

If Tull is in PF, it's mainly because of their SFTW, HH and Sw albums

We've had talks about changing them from genre, but there was a poll that said they were thought of the epitome of PF.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.

1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
 
Same.
 
 
Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.

1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
 
That's 30 points coming Jethro Tull's way from you plus another 30 points from Mortte for the same album, so they're off to a storming lead in the poll already. Smile
 
And another 30 points for "Thick as a Brick" for me as well.
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?LOL

Yes, that is bizarre. I wondered the same thing too. It seems obvious that they belong in Prog Folk. After all, Pentangle are categorised as Prog Folk here, so why not Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention too? Even more bizarrely, Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention are both classed as Prog Related on PA, which seems a very unconventional categorisation to me. It's just another one of the mysteries of ProgArchives that we'll probably never manage to unravel. Confused


There was a distinct reason when the team took those decisions some 10/15 years ago, where & when the historic progressive folk, psych folk, acid folk and the then-brand new neo/wyrd/pagan folk movements made the meat & bone of the PF genre.

It's also a question of proggyness. Fairport & Pan are more of the straight-ahead folk rock (this was agreed by the then-trio of genre team leader), and even if the first has a few lengthy instrumental of great quality, the band gets into a groove and solo away, the right not changing much: Even Tam Lin (in 5/4) just stays put. Next to The Pentangle (a jazz-folk-blues band really), those two bands pale in terms of proggyness.

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I'll try to think of a smaller list.








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I haven't listened to enough stuff from this genre, but nevertheless...

1. Jethro Tull - A Passion Play
2. Jan Dukes de Grey - Mice and Rats in the Loft
3. Carmen - Fandangos in Space
4. Los Jaivas - Alturas de Machu Picchu
5. Circulus - Clocks Are Like People
6. Hoelderlin - Hoelderlin
7. Ian Anderson - Homo Erraticus
8. Sintesis - En Busca de Una Nueva Flor
9. Comus - First Utterance
10. Chac Mool - Nadie en Especial
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

1) TAAB 2) Stormcock plus the first 8 Strawbs albums.
 
Don't forget it's one album per artist in the poll. Wink
 
If you tell me which is your favourite Strawbs album, I can assign 20 points to it, just behind 30 points for Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick. Smile
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1) TAAB 2) Stormcock plus the first 8 Strawbs albums.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

70's stuff

HARMONIUM - Si l'on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison
Brèche - Carapace & Chair Tendre
Conventum - Bureau Central Des Utopies
CANO - Au Nord De Notre Vie
PTARMIGAN - Ptarmigan
Engoulevent - l'Ile Où Vivent Les Loups
Jan Dukes De Grey - Mice & Rats in the Loft
Comus - First Utterances
SPIROGYRA - St. Radigunds
Tea & Symphony - An Asylum For The Musically Insane
Hoelderlin's Traum
RAMASES - Space Hymns
Errobi - Gure Lekukotasuna
Itoiz - Ezkiel
Los Jaivas - El Indio
Kebnekajse - II
Mormos - The Magic Spell of Mother's Wrath
Nuits Caline à la Villa Mon Rêve - S/T
Parzival - Barrock
Ripaille - La Vieille Que L'On Brula
String Driven Thing - Machine That Cried
Subway - Subway
Troisième Rive - Banlieues
Pentangle - Reflection
Pearks Before Swine - Uwse Of Ashes
Madden & Harris - Fools' Paradise


00's stuff
Espers - II
PG Six - Well
Tunng -
Woven Hand - Mosaic
Dead Can Dance - Aeion
Judy Dyble - Talking With Strangers
Ryley Walker - Primrose Green


Are they listed in any particular order for the purposes of the poll? Ermm
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Here's your chance to help determine  the Top 10 Prog Folk Albums of all time. Simply list your ten favourite  Prog Folk albums by *ten different artists* in order of preference below and then I'll assign points to the albums as follows:-
 ...

Hi,

Shame on you ... gonna tell yohh momma!

The points should be equally made for 1 through 100 (or was it 10) ... and the saddest part of it all ... the most progressive of all of the folk groups is not even mentioned ... THE INCREDIBLE STRING BAND ... and their experiments went into poetry, film, and theater ... and is STILL not appreciated anywhere. AND if that is not enough, Mike's solo albums (specially Diamond of Dreams) is far out, and Robin has an incredible listing of albums with various different folks that stands out ... so far and away ... from everyone else. BTW, when Manfred Mann got a bit tired of Bob Dylan, who did he record? Mike Heron!

Folk, for me would also include FAIRPORT CONVENTION and STEELEYE SPAN ... both which were also left behind to only get 1 point each, because here ... all three of these are a much tougher "acquired taste" than GG ever was ... not to mention that the vocals in so many of the ISB takes were ... totally outside the box and insane ... and of course, FC with Sandy Denny, trumps every thing in the listing!

I'm gonna go to my closed and cry now !!!Cry
I've never been a fan of the Incredible String Band, so they're unlikely to find a place in my Top 10 list. Smile
 
I think Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span should be included in the Prog Folk section too, but unfortunately, we're stuck with them being in the Prog Related section. Confused
 
I chose my Top 10 points system because all of the integers (or points) divide neatly into the natural prime number of 60, in the same was as the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 & 6 divide neatly into the natural prime number of 12 in my Top 5 polls. Smile
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

LOL
Yes, that is bizarre. I wondered the same thing too. It seems obvious that they belong in Prog Folk. After all, Pentangle are categorised as Prog Folk here, so why not Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention too? Even more bizarrely, Steeleye Span and Fairport Convention are both classed as Prog Related on PA, which seems a very unconventional categorisation to me. It's just another one of the mysteries of ProgArchives that we'll probably never manage to unravel. Confused
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1. Roy Harper - Stormcock
2. Dead Can Dance - Within The Realm Of A Dying Sun
3. North Sea Radio Orchestra - I A Moon
4. Jethro Tull: Thick as a Brick
5. Comus: First Utterance
6. Jan Dukes De Grey: Mice and Rats In the Loft
7. Jack O The Clock - All My Friends
8. John Martyn - Solid Air
9. The Decemberists - The Hazards Of Love
10. Tim Buckley - Starsailor
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Originally posted by BrufordFreak BrufordFreak wrote:

This is a tough one cuz this is probably my favorite sub-genre of Prog ...

...

 - 1. ALAN STIVELL Renaissance of the Celtic Harp (30 pts)

 - 9. STRAWBS Ghosts (3 pts)


MIKE OLDFIELD Hergest Ridge

ANTHONY PHILLIPS The Geese and The Ghost 

SHAKTI Natural Elements

AL STEWART The Year of the Cat

JONI MITCHELL Court and Spark 

...

Hi,

NOW ... that is much more like it ... thx

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

70's stuff 

CANO - Au Nord De Notre Vie
Tea & Symphony - An Asylum For The Musically Insane
RAMASES - Space Hymns 
Los Jaivas - El Indio
String Driven Thing - Machine That Cried
Pentangle - Reflection

...
Dead Can Dance - Aeion
Judy Dyble - Talking With Strangers
...

Now we talking!!!!! Clap

I was also thinking of MALECORNE, the French band ... some magnificent material ... and I'm not even going to mention Spanish stuff ... because it has a tendency to sound "traditional" because of the Spanish guitar ... but all in all Spain has an incredible history of folk music, including gypsy stuff!


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70's stuff

HARMONIUM - Si l'on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison
Brèche - Carapace & Chair Tendre
Conventum - Bureau Central Des Utopies
CANO - Au Nord De Notre Vie
PTARMIGAN - Ptarmigan
Engoulevent - l'Ile Où Vivent Les Loups
Jan Dukes De Grey - Mice & Rats in the Loft
Comus - First Utterances
SPIROGYRA - St. Radigunds
Tea & Symphony - An Asylum For The Musically Insane
Hoelderlin's Traum
RAMASES - Space Hymns
Errobi - Gure Lekukotasuna
Itoiz - Ezkiel
Los Jaivas - El Indio
Kebnekajse - II
Mormos - The Magic Spell of Mother's Wrath
Nuits Caline à la Villa Mon Rêve - S/T
Parzival - Barrock
Ripaille - La Vieille Que L'On Brula
String Driven Thing - Machine That Cried
Subway - Subway
Troisième Rive - Banlieues
Pentangle - Reflection
Pearks Before Swine - Uwse Of Ashes
Madden & Harris - Fools' Paradise


00's stuff
Espers - II
PG Six - Well
Tunng -
Woven Hand - Mosaic
Dead Can Dance - Aeion
Judy Dyble - Talking With Strangers
Ryley Walker - Primrose Green
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Here's your chance to help determine  the Top 10 Prog Folk Albums of all time. Simply list your ten favourite  Prog Folk albums by *ten different artists* in order of preference below and then I'll assign points to the albums as follows:-
 ...

Hi,

Shame on you ... gonna tell yohh momma!

The points should be equally made for 1 through 100 (or was it 10) ... and the saddest part of it all ... the most progressive of all of the folk groups is not even mentioned ... THE INCREDIBLE STRING BAND ... and their experiments went into poetry, film, and theater ... and is STILL not appreciated anywhere. AND if that is not enough, Mike's solo albums (specially Diamond of Dreams) is far out, and Robin has an incredible listing of albums with various different folks that stands out ... so far and away ... from everyone else. BTW, when Manfred Mann got a bit tired of Bob Dylan, who did he record? Mike Heron!

Folk, for me would also include FAIRPORT CONVENTION and STEELEYE SPAN ... both which were also left behind to only get 1 point each, because here ... all three of these are a much tougher "acquired taste" than GG ever was ... not to mention that the vocals in so many of the ISB takes were ... totally outside the box and insane ... and of course, FC with Sandy Denny, trumps every thing in the listing!

I'm gonna go to my closet and cry now !!!Cry


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