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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

1. Roy Harper - Stormcock
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Now ... that's far out ... someone that deserves to be in the list ... I really like the period of "The Unknown Soldier" and "Jugula +4", "Headquarters" and "One of these Days in England" ... incredibly great stuff and the lyrics? Yeah, rock music lyrics sometimes are just ... farts in the wind by comparison!

And I guess that no one has heard MALICORNE ... ??


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Originally posted by jamesbaldwin jamesbaldwin wrote:

At the moment I can only say this:

1) Tim Buckley Starsailor (Lorca would be the second, but I can choose only one record)
2) Comus First Utterance
3) Tull Aqualung
4) Dave Cousins: Two Weeks Last Summer
5) Dead Can Dance Spleen
6) Strawbs: Grave New World

My ranking of Prog Folk is in progress.

For myself, choosing a Strawbs LP, was sort of inclusion of Dave Cousins magnificent "Two Weeks Last Summer," as well as The Pentangle standing for the many wonderful solo works of both Bert Jansch and John Renbourn.

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Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

great choices!  Noticing Pearls Before Swine appearing on several lists, I would like to say that the main reason they don't quite make it for me is that one song about the Children that I not only dislike but feel it doesn't fit in with the album at all.  Usually I turn a blind eye (deaf ear!) to glaring missteps but can't in this case.  Question  which Tom Rapp album should I hear next?

Love that Mr Stivell's album is getting a lotof kudos as well

I agree with you on that song as well, Ken.  I think you mean "Tell Me Why."  

Although for me, there are a song or two from most that I could live without, most of his music and songwriting just speak to me.  Least favourites for me are One Nation Underground, City of Gold and Familiar Songs [which I think was done without his knowledge at the time]) although there are individual songs even within One Nation and City of Gold that appeal to me.  One part of my LP collection that has never left my hands, no matter how poor I got.  
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At the moment I can only say this:

1) Tim Buckley Starsailor (Lorca would be the second, but I can choose only one record)
2) Comus First Utterance
3) Tull Aqualung
4) Dave Cousins: Two Weeks Last Summer
5) Dead Can Dance Spleen
6) Strawbs: Grave New World

My ranking of Prog Folk is in progress.


Edited by jamesbaldwin - March 14 2020 at 17:50
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


I'd love to have included the votes for Harmonium in my Prog Folk poll, but they're in the Symphonic Prog section of PA. Smile


I really don't like not having album genre tagging (and multi tagging per albums). I'd say the first Harmonium album is Prog Folk, the second still is, but is more Symphonoic Prog, and the third is more Symphonic Prog still. If a Symph fan was looking for Prog folk recommendations, then Harmonium would be one to mention. And if a prog folk fan was looking for symph works too.

I'm not saying you're silly for doing it this way, maybe that's the most economical way to check and create limitations, but it feels weird having primarily non-Prog Folk albums (say Thick as a Brick) and disallow primarily Prog Folk albums because of our limiting and flawed classification by act system (and even with that, acts sometimes get moved around). They do say that nomenclature is the bane of the archivist, but/and maybe boxing really is best left to the pugilists. "A nozh scrap anytime you say" (Alex DeLarge).

I would place Jethro Tull in Eclectic if it were up to me, and I expect that many who said that he was the quintessential Prog folk artist aren't very into Prog Folk or know a wide variety of music from the category. That said, he does have a folk rock element in plenty of albums, including Thick as a Brick, and some of his albums do fit well (so I'm hardly saying it's senseless to include JT in Prog Folk). Again, I prefer labeling, and multi-labeling, by the album rather than by the artist.

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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

There may be some overlap between the genres here on PA (Jethro Tull qualifies as Eclectic, Harmoniums 5ième Saison meanders along the border of Symphonic and Folk, Jordsjø sounds folky at times etc.), but the Prog Folk policy is at least enigmatic, so I stick to the bands that are listed in this subgenre.

'Ere I go:
1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
2. Carmen - Dancing on a Cold Wind
3. Horslips - The Book of Invasions
4. Tim Buckley - Lorca
5. Camelias Garden - You Have a Chance
6. Pentangle - Cruel Sister
7. Iona - The Book of Kells
8. Jan Dukes de Grey - Mice and Rats in the Loft
9. Clannad - Dúlamán
X. North Sea Radio Orchestra - I a Moon

Some folk albums which are not prog, or not listed as prog, I would like to mention because these are as good as the ones listed above:

Nick Drake - Bryter Layter (and the other two as well)
Planxty - Cold Blow and the Rainy Night
Bothy Band - Out of the Wind, into the Sun
Andy Irvine - Rainy Sundays ... Windy Dreams
Laïs - Dorothea


good to see Clannad, Jan Dukes, North Sea Radio Orchestra, Horslips

Question:  Have you heard Moving Hearts?  They were Christy Moore's next band after Planxty.  Their s/t is on my list
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Originally posted by Snicolette Snicolette wrote:

So hard to put these in order.....and I restricted myself to one per band or solo artist, and have faves of some of these who have phenomenal solo recordings of band members.  The numbering might differ depending on mood, but that's how it feels on a snainy day in Oregon.

1.  The Pentangle ~ Cruel Sister
2.  Pearls Before Swine ~ The Use of Ashes
3.  Strawbs ~ Witchwood
4.  Alan Stivell ~ Renaissance of the Celtic Harp
5.  Jethro Tull ~ Thick As A Brick
6.  The October Project ~ S/T
7.  Dead Can Dance ~ Aion
8.  Tim Buckley ~ Goodbye and Hello
9.  Simon & Garfunkel ~ The Sounds of Silence
10.Offa Rex ~ The Queen of Hearts

That being said, the also-rans for me would include music from Faun, Malicorne, The Incredible String Band, Charlie Cawood and, if they'd been available under the category, Fairport Convention and the US Kaleidoscope.

great choices!  Noticing Pearls Before Swine appearing on several lists, I would like to say that the main reason they don't quite make it for me is that one song about the Children that I not only dislike but feel it doesn't fit in with the album at all.  Usually I turn a blind eye (deaf ear!) to glaring missteps but can't in this case.  Question  which Tom Rapp album should I hear next?

Love that Mr Stivell's album is getting a lotof kudos as well
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So hard to put these in order.....and I restricted myself to one per band or solo artist, and have faves of some of these who have phenomenal solo recordings of band members.  The numbering might differ depending on mood, but that's how it feels on a snainy day in Oregon.

1.  The Pentangle ~ Cruel Sister
2.  Pearls Before Swine ~ The Use of Ashes
3.  Strawbs ~ Witchwood
4.  Alan Stivell ~ Renaissance of the Celtic Harp
5.  Jethro Tull ~ Thick As A Brick
6.  The October Project ~ S/T
7.  Dead Can Dance ~ Aion
8.  Tim Buckley ~ Goodbye and Hello
9.  Simon & Garfunkel ~ The Sounds of Silence
10.Offa Rex ~ The Queen of Hearts

That being said, the also-rans for me would include music from Faun, Malicorne, The Incredible String Band, Charlie Cawood and, if they'd been available under the category, Fairport Convention and the US Kaleidoscope.
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There may be some overlap between the genres here on PA (Jethro Tull qualifies as Eclectic, Harmoniums 5ième Saison meanders along the border of Symphonic and Folk, Jordsjø sounds folky at times etc.), but the Prog Folk policy is at least enigmatic, so I stick to the bands that are listed in this subgenre.

'Ere I go:
1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
2. Carmen - Dancing on a Cold Wind
3. Horslips - The Book of Invasions
4. Tim Buckley - Lorca
5. Camelias Garden - You Have a Chance
6. Pentangle - Cruel Sister
7. Iona - The Book of Kells
8. Jan Dukes de Grey - Mice and Rats in the Loft
9. Clannad - Dúlamán
X. North Sea Radio Orchestra - I a Moon

Some folk albums which are not prog, or not listed as prog, I would like to mention because these are as good as the ones listed above:

Nick Drake - Bryter Layter (and the other two as well)
Planxty - Cold Blow and the Rainy Night
Bothy Band - Out of the Wind, into the Sun
Andy Irvine - Rainy Sundays ... Windy Dreams
Laïs - Dorothea



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I'd love to have included the votes for Harmonium in my Prog Folk poll, but they're in the Symphonic Prog section of PA. Smile
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.
1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Only prog folk I listen to is Tull.
1. Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
That's 30 points coming Jethro Tull's way from you plus another 30 points from Mortte for the same album, so they're off to a storming lead in the poll already. Smile
And another 30 points for "Thick as a Brick" for me as well.


except that TAAB is not a prog folk album, not even close.

If Tull is in PF, it's mainly because of their SFTW, HH and Sw albums

We've had talks about changing them from genre, but there was a poll that said they were thought of the epitome of PF.

I missed that poll! Tull has always been more of a rock or blues rock band to me; their folkiness is often minimal and/or incidental. I think I often feel the same about a lot of the Strawbs, Roy Harper, Fuschsia, and even John Martyn: Folk Rock. 

The epitome or essence of Prog Folk would be, for me, Gryphon or Pererin or Spirogyra or Fotheringay or Iona or Midlake or Corde Oblique or Faun or some of Ant Phillips work (Geese and Private Pieces) or Holderlein
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

LOL

Unhalfbricking and Liege & Lief by Fairport certainly should be viewed as "Progressive Folk", as should an album like Pentangle's A Basket of Light or Cruel Sister.



And you would be correct...but our resident expert kennethlevine says no, nay , not so, never.....

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actually I agree about Pentangle  Big smile
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

LOL

Unhalfbricking and Liege & Lief by Fairport certainly should be viewed as "Progressive Folk", as should an album like Pentangle's A Basket of Light or Cruel Sister.



And you would be correct...but our resident expert kennethlevine says no, nay , not so, never.....

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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Well..imho the whole category is screwed up.....how is Fairport Convention and Steeleye Span not in prog folk when Tull, Strawbs and Stackridge are....seriously..?

LOL

Unhalfbricking and Liege & Lief by Fairport certainly should be viewed as "Progressive Folk", as should an album like Pentangle's A Basket of Light or Cruel Sister.


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I'll give this a go as progressive folk is one of my favourite catagories. There are so many to choose from. I'm much more of a folky than a rocker at heart. I do tend to favour acid folk.

1. Perry Leopold - Christian Lucifer
2. Comus - First Utterance
3. Spirogra - St. Radigunds
4. Pierrot Lunaire - Gudrun
5. Aktuala - Aktuala
6. Linda Perhacs - Parallelograms
7. Ragnarök - Ragnarök
8. The Incredible String Band - The Hangman's Beautiful Daughter
9. Jan Dukes de Grey - Mice and Rats in the Loft
10. Pearls Before Swine - The Use Of Ashes

There are so many others I could have gone for.

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ok here is my list, knowing that the presence and positions of these albums could vary minute by minute

1) Pererin - Teithgan 
2) Strawbs Ghosts
3) Corde Oblique - A Hail of Bitter Almonds
4) Midlake - The Courage of Others
5) Alan Stivell - Renaissance de la Harpe Celtique
6) Clannad - Dulaman
7) Faveravola - Contea dei Cento Castagni
8) Itoiz - Ezekiel
9) Perry Leopold - Christian Lucifer
10) Moving Hearts - Moving Hearts

I left out Tull's TAAB because it's not really prog folk and will probably win anyway.  I love SFTW and HH but it's not quite top 10 love
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1- HARMONIUM - Si l'on avait besoin d'une cinquième saison
PTARMIGAN - Ptarmigan
Jan Dukes De Grey - Mice & Rats in the Loft
Comus - First Utterances
SPIROGYRA - St. Radigunds
Tea & Symphony - An Asylum For The Musically Insane
Hoelderlin's Traum
Ripaille - La Vieille Que L'On Brula
String Driven Thing - Machine That Cried
10- Pentangle - Reflection


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


This is how the poll looks so far after the first count-up of the votes:-
 
1. JETHRO TULL - Thick as a Brick (102 points)
2. ROY HARPER - Stormcock (50 points)
3. COMUS - First Utterance (33 points)
4. ALAN STIVELL - Renaissance of the Celtic Harp (30 points)
4. THE GHOST - When You're Dead - One Second (30 points)
4. JETHRO TULL - A Passion Play (30 points)
7. JAN DUKES DE GREY - Mice & Rats in the Loft (29 points)
8. FLAIRCK - Gevecht met de Engel (20 points)
8. SPIROGYRA - Bells, Boots & Shambles (20 points)
8. DEAD CAN DANCE - Within the Realm of a Dying Sun (20 points)


I'm here more out of curiosity for knowing more of Prog Folk, since I hardly know these bands besides Jethro Tull... but I would have expected some Strawbs to be featured in such a list. And from Tull, from a folk perspective, I guess Songs from the Wood should have it's place too.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Btw..some of those that are in the category probably wouldn't even be there..or exist even... if it weren't for bands like Fairport and Span who blazed a path for them.

can't argue with that but that doesn't make them prog folk
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Btw..some of those that are in the category probably wouldn't even be there..or exist even... if it weren't for bands like Fairport and Span who blazed a path for them.
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