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MikeEnRegalia 
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*sigh* ... Vai is very different from Malmsteen. Those of you who don't agree ... well, I hope that you'll continue to listen to music, increase your knowledge / broaden your horizon and one day maybe you'll understand.
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 18:01 |
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nothing is automatic.. every decision made and artist added (especially one that will draw controversy as Satch) is carefully considered, and rarely based on a "that band is here so why not this one" reasoning.. currently the best place for Joe would probably ProgRelated but even that's stretch since he isn't really related to Prog at all, and if Yngwie or Greg Howe or George Bellas were added, that would have little bearing on any other 'shredder' or instrumentalist
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 17:59 |
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It's interesting that this suggestion was started.... I just put up this poll yesterday
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47551 I'd be happy to discuss Satch in this thread with you... but as fellow fans 
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 17:49 |
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But it's not about Vai... it's about Satch Edited by King By-Tor - April 02 2008 at 17:51 |
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bluesynight
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 17:48 |
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ok, so you say that vai is here becouse of the symphonic compositions?
then why malmsteen is not here? hes done the same thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lynUMFJRiik |
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 17:37 |
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Vai has done a number of longer symphonic compositions most of which feature a number of speed changes... and I took this right from the prog related description
I'm not trying to bash you here... but you need a stronger arguement |
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Angelo
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 17:29 |
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So your question is different, as are some of the views you express. Let's avoid calling each other things we might regret later. I already mentioned that I will not tolerate 'newbie-bashing', but for the newbie (that's you  ), I will add to this that I will also not tolerate 'site-bashing'...Now, carry on... Edited by Angelo - April 02 2008 at 17:30 |
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ISKC Rock Radio
I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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bluesynight
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 17:27 |
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well nether is vai or petrucci(as a solo performer). so why they are here?
again vai: "Progressive guitar composer and Zappa alumni" what exactly make him progressive according to the guidelines and elements of this site? |
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debrewguy
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 17:25 |
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I wonder if some of his new millenium albums might be given a listen to. True, he is a rocker, but for a few albums strayed into more experimental music such as Engines of Creation & Crystal Planet. Now don't ask me for a review, but a buddy of mine who's a Satch fan described them as less of your typical guitar album than a lot of his stuff.
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 17:19 |
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Yes... but does that make him progressive according to the guidelines and elements of this site? No one here is doubting that he's a great guitarist... but that does not make him progressive. |
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bluesynight
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 16:48 |
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thanks for the welcoming....
my question is a little bit different, i want to know why some shredders such as vai and petrucci are here, and paul gilbert satriani and malmsteen are not. vai: "Progressive guitar composer and Zappa alumni"... ................................................................................................................................................................................................. Progressive guitar composer? if that enough to be considered as prog related? then malmsteen should be here to. Zappa alumni? whats that got to do with any thing? petrucci:"Because, if we list all the stuff of DREAM THEATER, all his participations on other projects such as LTE or Jon Finn Group, we have to accept that we are in front of a modern Icon of Progressive Rock and Heavy Metal. Thats Why"................................................................................................................................................................................................... you judging his solo work by his work with DT, and that just stupid.. fine, heres one on satriani... one of the bast shredders of all time, he was a teacher to some of the greatest guitar player including STEVE VAI, Kirk Hammett , David Bryson , Kevin Cadogan , Larry LaLonde Primus, Possessed, Alex Skolnick , Rick Hunolt , Phil Kettner , and Charlie Hunter. he played with deep purple, and he "created the g3. i think its sounds batter then "modern Icon of Progressive Rock and Heavy Metal. Thats Why". |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 16:36 |
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Absolutely. Do you know Queen II? |
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Angelo
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 15:30 |
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Welcome to ProgArchives, bluesynight.
In view of your question, I think it's wise to have a look at the definition of our "Prog-related" category, where you'll find a.o. Iron Maiden. These bands are related to prog for various reasons, but are not considered prog themselves. Just click on Prog Related on the site's main page and you'll get all the info you need on that. As far as Satriani is concerned: a forum search will do the trick there, he's been discussed before. Enjoy your time here!!! To all others: no newbie-bashing please, or I'll know where to find you  Edited by Angelo - April 02 2008 at 15:37 |
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ISKC Rock Radio
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bluesynight
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 14:12 |
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vai? ok i can see why his here, but petrucci? why? what was so special about Suspended Animation? why is it more prog then, lets say..."crystal planet". is iron maiden is prog? no but it still here, and so is kong. and so is queen? you telling me that queen is more prog then satch? if those bands are here, then he should be here to!!!
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 12:59 |
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I'm a huge Satch fan... HUGE! (I'm even listening to his newest album
right now) But I don't think that his inclusion is truly warranted on
the Archives.
He's an excellent guitarist and composer... but prog he ain't. Petrucci is here because he's an excellent prog guitarist... and Vai's inclusion has always boggled my mind (as much as I like him) but even he has come up with some more progressive tunes like Fire Garden Suite, Under It All, and most of his newest studio album. I'd love to review some Satch, but I wouldn't call him prog. Edited by King By-Tor - April 02 2008 at 13:00 |
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bluesynight
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Posted: April 02 2008 at 12:35 |
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steve vai and petrucci have "pages", but satriani dont?
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what about joe satriani?
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