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Mr ProgFreak 
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 Posted: October 23 2011 at 08:42 |
 Dean wrote:
Turning off the auto-censor or making it optional would not permit anyone to swear. The "no profanity" rule would remain, it would still be against site rules to swear and more people would be reprimanded for using swear words on the site. Everyone using a swear word without self-censoring would be breaking site rules and liable for punishment of some kind, of which we only have two: demotion and/or suspension - under some circumstances (lesser swear words perhaps) we may give people the choice, other times we may dole out both just for the fun of it.
And then there would be the accusations that Admins were spiteful and vindictive for punishing those who swear, and in retaliation we would have to permaban more people because we are spiteful and vindictive and don't like people making more work for us than is necessary. |
My suggestion: Abolish the "no profanity" rule, but maintain the profanity filter. I've never understood why both are in place. When I say "f*ck that" ... how can that be offensive to anyone? If I say "f*ck you" ... now that's a personal attack and could still be breaking site rules even if we don't specifically focus on profanity.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 08:00 |
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^ I didn't understand what you meant. Now I think I do. It's confusing.
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Dean
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 07:48 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Turning off the auto-censor or making it optional would not permit anyone to swear. The "no profanity" rule would remain, it would still be against site rules to swear and more people would be reprimanded for using swear words on the site. Everyone using a swear word without self-censoring would be breaking site rules and liable for punishment of some kind, of which we only have two: demotion and/or suspension - under some circumstances (lesser swear words perhaps) we may give people the choice, other times we may dole out both just for the fun of it.
And then there would be the accusations that Admins were spiteful and vindictive for punishing those who swear, and in retaliation we would have to permaban more people because we are spiteful and vindictive and don't like people making more work for us than is necessary. |
Profanity is used regularly here. So this rule is obviously flexible or not applied always. Or do you mean circumventing the censor? |
If I'm referring to the hypothetical case of the auto-censor being switched off how can I possibly mean circumventing it?
We could be anal about applying the rules and make everyone's life a misery (including mine), or we can be intelligent about it and let the occasional self-censored or auto-censored word slip by if it is obviously not used to cause offence or to be deliberately upsetting. Striking a happy medium between jocular banter among men of the world and Machiavellian application of the rules isn't really that difficult - because turning a blind eye is just another form of laziness and I'm well practised in that, not in the lack of will to do something about an infringement of the rules, but dereliction of the tiresome act of patrolling each and every post looking for them. Therefore in the spirit of give and take I don't think it's a huge ask on our part to expect people to police themselves and not over use swearing or over become reliant on the auto-censor when making posts.
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Padraic
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 07:38 |
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I barely care enough about this issue to post here stating exactly that.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 07:37 |
Epignosis wrote:
There are about fourteen million things that concern me more than the auto censor.
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My combined reviews of your two albums will be considerably less than fourteen million words.
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Epignosis
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 07:31 |
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There are about fourteen million things that concern me more than the auto censor.
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manofmystery
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 07:21 |
I'm torn:
On one hand, there's no need to censor words. They are just words and those who get offended, by something as stupid as four little letters, shouldn't be coddled.
On the other hand, it does make me feel more comfortable cussing up a storm here.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 06:44 |
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We swear because we are repressed (this manifests itself in many forms of which swearing is but one instance)
Politeness originates in indifference i.e. it really doesn't matter ( I know it's a very unpalatable notion) but once you get your head round this you will be able to disseminate the angry (those who genuinely care) from the merely inarticulate.
Edited by ExittheLemming - October 23 2011 at 06:46
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 06:26 |
1. Why do we want to swear ?
2. Why can't we do something more useful than debate this ? Helping young ladies over the roads, for example. Why this debate ? 
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 05:35 |
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^ Yeah so? I can swear in Scottish gaelic eg Pogue Mahone but by virtue of doing so is transparent self censorship, so both of us must give a branler?
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CPicard
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 05:12 |
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I don't mind, but it's because I don't swear in English (but I think the filter had been also set up for other linguages, so I won't be able to say : "Rien à branler").
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Snow Dog
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 04:28 |
Dean wrote:
Turning off the auto-censor or making it optional would not permit anyone to swear. The "no profanity" rule would remain, it would still be against site rules to swear and more people would be reprimanded for using swear words on the site. Everyone using a swear word without self-censoring would be breaking site rules and liable for punishment of some kind, of which we only have two: demotion and/or suspension - under some circumstances (lesser swear words perhaps) we may give people the choice, other times we may dole out both just for the fun of it.
And then there would be the accusations that Admins were spiteful and vindictive for punishing those who swear, and in retaliation we would have to permaban more people because we are spiteful and vindictive and don't like people making more work for us than is necessary. |
Profanity is used regularly here. So this rule is obviously flexible or not applied always. Or do you mean circumventing the censor?
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SaltyJon
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 03:08 |
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The best option for me is "I don't care at all" because I don't swear (either on here or in real life, pretty much) but I'm also completely fine with other people doing so if they want to.
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Dean
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 02:38 |
Turning off the auto-censor or making it optional would not permit anyone to swear. The "no profanity" rule would remain, it would still be against site rules to swear and more people would be reprimanded for using swear words on the site. Everyone using a swear word without self-censoring would be breaking site rules and liable for punishment of some kind, of which we only have two: demotion and/or suspension - under some circumstances (lesser swear words perhaps) we may give people the choice, other times we may dole out both just for the fun of it.
And then there would be the accusations that Admins were spiteful and vindictive for punishing those who swear, and in retaliation we would have to permaban more people because we are spiteful and vindictive and don't like people making more work for us than is necessary.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 02:28 |
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This filter is a necessity in today's world. Mostly due to the fifty rebel states, the homes of porn and prudish Mid-Westerners who still want babies to be delivered by storks. Unfortunate, those prudish elements rules our world and we have to deal with their whims and opinions. Hence the filter.
Edited by toroddfuglesteg - October 23 2011 at 02:29
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darkshade
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 01:33 |
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I don't care
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 00:57 |
I don't see how it can be made optional...Does this means anybody could choose to swear or not?
Then better delete it.
I believe it's positive and must be mandatory, seen too many forums turn into crap because of stupid and vulgar attacks.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 23 2011 at 01:01
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Anthony H.
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Posted: October 22 2011 at 23:16 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
I think PA is pretty relaxed about the swearing issue and although I do baulk at the hypocrisy of me having to type something like 'crude little runts' instead of erm.....I think we do have a duty of care to the wider community to be seen to have control measures in place such as the profanity filter, moderators and admin team etc.
This transcript of a response from Philip Pullman to a question posed by a Christian who was offended at the title of one of the former's books (The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ) pretty much sums up my own stance on censorship:
Yes. It was a shocking thing to say, and I knew it was a shocking thing to
say. But no one has the right to live without being shocked. No one has
the right to spend their life without being offended.
Nobody has to read this book. Nobody has to pick it up. Nobody has to
open it. And if they open it and read it, they don’t have to like it.
And if you read it and dislike it, you don’t have to remain silent
about it. You can write to me — You can complain about it. You can write
to the publisher. You can write to the paper. You can write your own book.
You can do all those things, but there your rights stop.
No one has the right to stop me from writing this book. No one has
the right to stop it being published, or sold, or bought, or read.
And that’s all I have to say on that subject.
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 Also, I'm not trying to make any sort of statement with this poll. I'm just curious about gauging peoples' opinions.
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Luna
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Posted: October 22 2011 at 23:00 |
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LAST OPTION, MOTHERf**kERS
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Evolver
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Posted: October 22 2011 at 22:55 |
zappaholic wrote:
I'm all for freedom of expression, but I can understand why filters are in place. Even if children are not involved, there's a lot of places, like many workplaces, that will block any site that has any profanity on it. (I know, I know, you shouldn't be on the net at work....)
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there is that. And as I stated in the other thread, many places, libraries, schools and such, that use web filters that block sites with profanity. In order to allow access to the most users, many forums choose to disallow certain words and phrases. This is a decision for the owner(s) of the site. As guests here, we are obligated to abide by their rules. If you have a problem with that, you can discuss it with Max, or not post.
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