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^ there is no way to explain it in a brief sentence. But when it comes to Satch I'd like to point out that his music isn't really metal ... it has a heavy edge to it, but I would still place it in Rock, the same goes for Vai. And with that being the case, the prog metal team has no saying as to whether he should be included or not. Personally, I think that he *could* be included as prog related. But I think that it's definitely not as strong a case as Vai. 
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if petrucci is considered as tech,  i dont see a reason why satch wont be considered as tech. but to be honest i know that petruuci shouldn't be there, i just wanted to see  if some one can  give me a batter answer then "Icon of Progressive Rock and Heavy Metal. Thats Why". well thanks any way.
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Points: 21206 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2008 at 02:49
Well ... as a matter of fact there are some more shredders which were cleared for addition by the PMT: JT Bruce, Chris Brooks, Marty Friedman, Kiko Loureiro, Tony MacAlpine, Chris Poland and Ron Thal. 
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Since I do not deal with Tech/Extreme Prog Metal inclusions I cannot give a better explanation than the one given.
 
Also I've never heard Suspended Animation so cannot comment on whether it is shred or not - I can tell you that until recently his discography also included An Evening With... but this has since been moved to Crossover under Rudess and Petrucci... whether this move has made any difference to his placement in Tech/Extreme is a question for the PMT and not really "on topic" for this thread (i.e. it has nothing to do with Satriani).
 
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sorry its 2 AM hereSleepy.

about petrucci, the only answer i got is that his solo album is here because he plays with DT.
and i don't see the connection between his solo career and his work with DT, his solo album is pure shred just like satriani.
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Originally posted by bluesynight bluesynight wrote:

of course they different, but he said that vai is here because of his "symphonies". Malmsteen all so have symphonies but his not here. yes, of course if we judge by the technical lvl and creativity vai is much more superior, but its more about definition then ability.


I really must leave this thread now cause I really don't know nothing about these guitar players except for their fame..
So I'll leave the experts for this.
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Originally posted by bluesynight bluesynight wrote:

i dont care about each and every one, i care only about two, there are only two shredders here, and i  got an answer about one of them. actually i got an answer about the second one two, but its a really bad answer, and im looking if i can get a better one.

You've confused me about who you are talking about. You were given a "bad" answer in your opinion for which artist?
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of course they different, but he said that vai is here because of his "symphonies". Malmsteen all so have symphonies but his not here. yes, of course if we judge by the technical lvl and creativity  vai is much more superior, but its more about definition then ability.  
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Originally posted by bluesynight bluesynight wrote:

vai? ok i can see why his here, but petrucci? why? what was so special about Suspended Animation? why is it more prog then, lets say..."crystal planet". is iron maiden is prog? no but it still here, and so is kong. and so is queen? you telling me that queen is more prog then satch? if those bands are here, then he should be here to!!!    <span ="cls_DiscoText"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><span style="font-style: italic;"></span></span>


Are here in Prog Related! that doesn't mean they're prog.
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i dont care about each and every one, i care only about two, there are only two shredders here, and i  got an answer about one of them. actually i got an answer about the second one two, but its a really bad answer, and im looking if i can get a better one.

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Originally posted by bluesynight bluesynight wrote:

well if some one will tell me why some of the shredders are  here, it will help me with my arguments in the future, because i really didn't understood why vai is here, and satach isn't. again for me they all "just" shredders.
 
It is impossible to go back in time and review each and every inclusion, we do not keep those kinds of records. At the time of their addition to the site, a team of people listened to their music and voted them in. As I have already said - the inclusion of one artist is irrelevant when considering another. Whether you or I understand why Vai is here is immaterial to the inclusion or exclusion of Satriani.
 
Prog Related is a special category that is outside the "normal" definitions of Progressive Music covered by our main sub-genres (Progressive Metal, Symphonic etc.). Artists considered for PR have to have some relationship to Progressive Music but do not necessarily have to be "Prog"
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thats why LTE, DT and e.club  are here, but his solo album is pure shred.
if macalpine plays with vai,cab, and planet x, it doesn't mean that his solo albums are prog.
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Points: 103 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2008 at 18:32
well thats why LTE , DT and Explorer's Club are here, but i dont see how its got something to do with his solo album, its just a pure shred album. if tony macalpine plays with vai, cab  and planet x, it doesn't mean that his solo albums should be considered as prog.   
 
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Points: 16111 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2008 at 18:31
Songs that I mentioned before are enough to get him included, but I haven't heard his whole discography.

Quote Why this artist must be listed in www.progarchives.com :
Progressive guitar composer and Zappa alumni.


I think that progressive composer is what did it.

I'm sure whoever added him was also having a good day and was feeling kind enough to add him Smile
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well if some one will tell me why some of the shredders are  here, it will help me with my arguments in the future, because i really didn't understood why vai is here, and satach isn't. again for me they all "just" shredders.
 
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Points: 65268 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2008 at 18:18
Originally posted by bluesynight bluesynight wrote:

the only difference is that petrucci plays with DT


that's a big difference, not to mention LTE and Explorer's Club
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Originally posted by bluesynight bluesynight wrote:

ok, so you say that vai is here becouse of the symphonic compositions?

then why malmsteen is not here? hes done the same thing.

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for me "they" all "just" shredders, and i really trying to understand why some are here and some are not. and i think that if you consider petruccis "suspended animation" as prog, then all of Satch albums are prog. the only difference is that petrucci plays with DT, and i dont see why its got something to do with his solo album.

ok dont put satch, but can you answer me why petrucci is here?




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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2008 at 18:11
Originally posted by bluesynight bluesynight wrote:

well nether is vai or petrucci(as a solo performer). so why they are here?

again vai:

"Progressive guitar composer and Zappa alumni"

what exactly make him progressive according to the guidelines and elements of this site?
We do not include or exclude artists based upon comparisons with other artists, but only on their own merits by the music they have recorded.
 
"Prog" is not a comparative value - you can only say that "A" is more prog then "B" in subjective terms, therefore we try to avoid this when assessing artists for inclusion into the archive and judge the music presented against the definitions for each sub-genre.
 
Whether Vai, or Petrucci, or di Meola, or Frith, or Hackett, or Gilmour, or Howe, or Manzanera, or Fripp, or McLaughlin, or Zappa, or Beck are included in the archive has no bearing on the inclusion of any other "great" guitarist.
 
Under some circumstances an artist may be considered for Prog Related if it can be shown that there is some relationship to Progressive music in the work that they have produced.


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