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Roland113 
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 Posted: September 17 2011 at 11:13 |
 Triceratopsoil wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
ludicrous.
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So is 4 posts in a row, by the way
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Ok, you know what Tricera . . .
You're not witty.
Try this, I believe it's an old adage, but if you don't have anything nice to say, please keep your opinions to yourself.
Seriously, you've got like 12,000 posts or something, I think about 11,000 of them are about how much you don't like something. Please for the rest of our personal enjoyment, stick to the threads that you can actually add something to.
You know what, maybe you actually do post to other threads with more constructive or useful information, but you know what, they're probably in threads that I don't read . . . My point here is that I don't read the Rio / Whatever thread. . . why, cause there's only so many times that I can say 'I don't get it' without sounding like a moron.
Try this for me for one day . . . if a thread is titled "Neo-Prog" try not clicking on it.
See, that was even easier than clicking on it.
Normally I'd let you just continue to flail on but when you start taking pot shots at the adults I start to get a little tired of your lack of maturity. Grow up.
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I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 11:00 |
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You're all missing the fact that nothing is actually good.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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timothy leary
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 10:57 |
Polo wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
Polo wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.
Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.
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I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum. |
It's not hard to sum up how the concept of neo-prog is weak. People may like it, but it is still a conceptually failed subgenre. |
Sorry, but this is rubbish. If you look at some of the popular albums from the past 15 to 20 years, a lot of them are neo. Hell, just look at the past polls over at DPRP and bands like IQ, Marillion and Pendragon are choking off the top 5 spots, with any one of these bands taking album of the year.
Weak may be your opinion; however, conceptually failed is ludicrous.
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Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread?
And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts.
rushfan4 wrote:
I see that you guys have met trollceratopsoil and trollo. Both members that are basically members. My enjoyment of this site has dwindled immensely since their arrival, and I am quite sure that both will be quite proud to know that they have accomplished this. |
I'm not trolling here, mr. Bringer o' Truth Almighty. One has the right to defend what he believes in. I keep my sillyness in the Shred Room, and I don't believe you should bring your dislike of me outta it. |
Just your location tells me all I need to know. " your mom". How infantile and something I am sure you would only say to a computer screen. If you don't like something....state it and move on rather than hijacking a thread.
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The Neck Romancer
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 10:49 |
E-Dub wrote:
Polo wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.
Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.
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I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum. |
It's not hard to sum up how the concept of neo-prog is weak. People may like it, but it is still a conceptually failed subgenre. |
Sorry, but this is rubbish. If you look at some of the popular albums from the past 15 to 20 years, a lot of them are neo. Hell, just look at the past polls over at DPRP and bands like IQ, Marillion and Pendragon are choking off the top 5 spots, with any one of these bands taking album of the year.
Weak may be your opinion; however, conceptually failed is ludicrous.
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Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread?
And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts.
rushfan4 wrote:
I see that you guys have met trollceratopsoil and trollo. Both members that are basically members. My enjoyment of this site has dwindled immensely since their arrival, and I am quite sure that both will be quite proud to know that they have accomplished this. |
I'm not trolling here, mr. Bringer o' Truth Almighty. One has the right to defend what he believes in. I keep my sillyness in the Shred Room, and I don't believe you should bring your dislike of me outta it.
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 10:00 |
rushfan4 wrote:
I see that you guys have met trollceratopsoil and trollo. Both members that are basically members. My enjoyment of this site has dwindled immensely since their arrival, and I am quite sure that both will be quite proud to know that they have accomplished this.
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Same here. I come back sparingly, but things like this really drove me away. E
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 09:58 |
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way to go, Eric! I don't know what possesses some people to head for the discussion about what they don't like. I have MDK by Magma, not really me cup of tea, but I wanted to have some idea of what Zeulh was about. However you're not going to find me on the forum trying to steer people away from something they want to explore. Music is highly personalize in its enjoyment, if it brings something in the way of emotion and feelling to you, great. we can all feel sorry for these trolls, who obviously have no joy in their life since they focus on negativity. |
Kenmar, I will never understand that, either. Subgenres like Zeuhl and Kraut is something I cannot get into; however, (like you) I would never go into a thread and tell people not to explore. Just because it doesn't work for me doesn't mean others wouldn't just eat it up. Sorry, but I have no patience for attitudes like that. How have you been, my friend? Still waiting to see the video of you singing "Living With The Big Lie" at the top of your voice outside the L'Olympia. Didn't they interview you, too? E
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rushfan4
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 09:19 |
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I see that you guys have met trollceratopsoil and trollo. Both members that are basically members. My enjoyment of this site has dwindled immensely since their arrival, and I am quite sure that both will be quite proud to know that they have accomplished this.
Edited by rushfan4 - September 17 2011 at 09:20
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lazland
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 08:14 |
kenmartree wrote:
way to go, Eric! I don't know what possesses some people to head for the discussion about what they don't like. I have MDK by Magma, not really me cup of tea, but I wanted to have some idea of what Zeulh was about. However you're not going to find me on the forum trying to steer people away from something they want to explore. Music is highly personalize in its enjoyment, if it brings something in the way of emotion and feelling to you, great. we can all feel sorry for these trolls, who obviously have no joy in their life since they focus on negativity. |
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kenmartree
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 08:09 |
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way to go, Eric! I don't know what possesses some people to head for the discussion about what they don't like. I have MDK by Magma, not really me cup of tea, but I wanted to have some idea of what Zeulh was about. However you're not going to find me on the forum trying to steer people away from something they want to explore. Music is highly personalize in its enjoyment, if it brings something in the way of emotion and feelling to you, great. we can all feel sorry for these trolls, who obviously have no joy in their life since they focus on negativity.
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 06:48 |
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Generally, there are gaps. You have an isolated case of (maybe) "Marbles II" flowing seamlessly into "Ocean Cloud".
Marbles has as definite Radiohead/The Blue Nile feel in some spots; however, there are some true prog classics. Most notably with the brilliant "Ocean Cloud", "The Invisible Man" and "Neverland".
Marbles is widely considered to be Marillion's 3rd masterpiece ... and I'd have to agree.
Let us know what you think.
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 04:07 |
E-Dub wrote:
richardh wrote:
jean-marie wrote:
Hey you Prog fellows, i'm amazed how about Marillion it's always Marillion aka Fish, i love both but what about Marillion aka Hogart? In fact i prefer the further albums, i mean about music |
I prefer Hogarth as a singer over Fish any day of the week. On that basis I bought every Marillion album up to and including The Strange Engine. But I just found that I wasn't listening to any of them apart from Seasons End. I havn't heard Marbles though (or anything after The Strange Engine). Should I give it a try? |
Do yourself a favor and pick up the 2 disc version of Marbles. Madfish has just re-released it and you can get it over at marillion.com.
Anoraknophobia is also worth your time, as is Happiness Is The Road. I do feel, however, that Essence works better as a whole than The Hard Shoulder. That said, the latter has "The Man From The Planet Marzipan" and the absolutely stunning "Real Tears For Sale", which is easily in my top 5 Marillion songs.
It may also behoove you to pick up some live albums. The series from the '09 convention are amazing and I reach for them a lot. Popular Music is also very good, which quite possibly the best live version of "This Strange Engine" ever.
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I saw the 2 disc version on Amazon and checked the samples. I like the general feel of it. Probably will take a punt. Do the tracks flow into each other or are there gaps between?
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:30 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
ludicrous.
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So is 4 posts in a row, by the way
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And you've backed this up with razor sharp logic like your other points. Go play somewhere else. This obviously isn't the venue for you (but something tells me you're going to troll around a wee bit more. Seen it a thousand times 'round here). E
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:23 |
JJLehto wrote:
Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.
Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.
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Pure is one of the best prog albums to come out in a long time. Really blows me away still. E
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:22 |
E-Dub wrote:
ludicrous.
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So is 4 posts in a row, by the way
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:21 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Sylvan - Posthumous Silence
Frost* - Experiments in Mass Appeal
Arena - Immortal?
Carptree - Man Made Machine
Collage - Moonshine
Dead Heroes Club - A Time of Shadow
Eureka - Shackleton's Voyage
Invisigoth - Alcoholocaust
Jadis - More Than Meets The Eye
Leap Day - Awaken The Muse
Little Atlas - Surface Serene
Pallas - XXV
RPWL - World Through My Eyes
Salem Hill - The Robbery of Murder
Satellite - A Street Between Sunrise and Sunset
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I guess Salem Hill would be neo, too. Robbery, Not Everybody's Gold and Mimi's Magic Moment are awesome. Add them in, too. E
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:17 |
Polo wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.
Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.
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I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum. |
It's not hard to sum up how the concept of neo-prog is weak. People may like it, but it is still a conceptually failed subgenre. |
Sorry, but this is rubbish. If you look at some of the popular albums from the past 15 to 20 years, a lot of them are neo. Hell, just look at the past polls over at DPRP and bands like IQ, Marillion and Pendragon are choking off the top 5 spots, with any one of these bands taking album of the year. Weak may be your opinion; however, conceptually failed is ludicrous. E
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:12 |
richardh wrote:
jean-marie wrote:
Hey you Prog fellows, i'm amazed how about Marillion it's always Marillion aka Fish, i love both but what about Marillion aka Hogart? In fact i prefer the further albums, i mean about music |
I prefer Hogarth as a singer over Fish any day of the week. On that basis I bought every Marillion album up to and including The Strange Engine. But I just found that I wasn't listening to any of them apart from Seasons End. I havn't heard Marbles though (or anything after The Strange Engine). Should I give it a try? |
Do yourself a favor and pick up the 2 disc version of Marbles. Madfish has just re-released it and you can get it over at marillion.com. Anoraknophobia is also worth your time, as is Happiness Is The Road. I do feel, however, that Essence works better as a whole than The Hard Shoulder. That said, the latter has "The Man From The Planet Marzipan" and the absolutely stunning "Real Tears For Sale", which is easily in my top 5 Marillion songs. It may also behoove you to pick up some live albums. The series from the '09 convention are amazing and I reach for them a lot. Popular Music is also very good, which quite possibly the best live version of "This Strange Engine" ever. E
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Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:07 |
Triceratopsoil wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
None of them.
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Another quality post. Add it to the pile. |
He asked my opinion, I gave it.
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You did. Just not a very good one. Highly recommend: Marillion - Brave Marillion - Marbles Marillion - Afraid Of Sunlight Marillion - Seasons End Marillion - Misplaced Childhood Sylvan - Posthumous Silence IQ - Subterranea IQ - The Seventh House IQ - Dark Matter IQ - Frequency Pendragon - Pure Pendragon - Not Of This World Frost* - Milliontown Arena - The Visitor Arena - Immortal? Sean Filkins - War & Peace and Other Short Stories (could be symph) Kino - Picture It Bites - The Tall Ships Pallas - The Dreams Of Men In a pinch: Arena - Contagion Darwin's Radio - Template For A Generation Iluvatar - Children Galahad - Empires Never Last Mystery - One Among The Living Magic Of Pie - Circus Of Life Pallas - XXV Pallas - The Cross + The Crucible And I've tooted this horn until I'm about to pass out, but I prefer the Hogarth era of Marillion (surprise to those who know me, eh?). The 4 discs with Fish are brilliant, but what they did with Brave (and the subsequent AoS and Marbles) were far better <<key words alert>> in my opinion than anything with Fish. Hogarth brought a whole new dynamic to this band, and after seeing them twice at the past two conventions it's without a shadow of a doubt that he is the key figure of this band...and rightfully so. Despite what a fellow member tried to convince me a few years ago, Hogarth is a far superior singer. He has lost a lot of that once amazing voice, but he really brings it on stage. I've seen a lot of bands, but Marillion truly leave you breathless. E
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 23:47 |
stonebeard wrote:
JJLehto wrote:
Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why.
Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad.
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I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum. |
It's not hard to sum up how the concept of neo-prog is weak. People may like it, but it is still a conceptually failed subgenre.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: September 16 2011 at 23:16 |
stonebeard wrote:
Triceratopsoil wrote:
None of them.
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Another quality post. Add it to the pile. |
He asked my opinion, I gave it.
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