Neo-Progressive
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Topic: Neo-Progressive
Posted By: GoldenGod2112
Subject: Neo-Progressive
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 22:39
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I haven't really listened to any
Neo-progyet.
 What Neo-prog bands and albums do you recommend?
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: September 14 2011 at 22:41
| None of them. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 01:31
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IQ - Tales From The Lush Attic
IQ - The Wake
IQ - Ever
IQ - The Seventh House
IQ - Frequency
Marillion - Fugazi
Marillion - Seasons End
Arena - Welcome To The Stage
Magenta - Seven
AltaVia - Girt Dog
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 01:32
Another quality post. Add it to the pile.
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Triceratopsoil wrote:Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 08:17
| Have a listen to Pendragon, Which album?......Hum.....Believe and Masquerade Overture or Marillion....Marbles |
Posted By: GoldenGod2112
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 09:58
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Thank you all very much. ------------- The future's uncertain and the end is always near. - Jim Morrison |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 10:09
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Sylvan - Posthumous Silence
Frost* - Experiments in Mass Appeal
Arena - Immortal?
Carptree - Man Made Machine
Collage - Moonshine
Dead Heroes Club - A Time of Shadow
Eureka - Shackleton's Voyage
Invisigoth - Alcoholocaust
Jadis - More Than Meets The Eye
Leap Day - Awaken The Muse
Little Atlas - Surface Serene
Pallas - XXV
RPWL - World Through My Eyes
Salem Hill - The Robbery of Murder
Satellite - A Street Between Sunrise and Sunset
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 10:23
I'm with Scott on his list, specifically Frost*, Arena and RPWL, all three are quality albums. The first album that I think of when I'm in a Neoprog mood (which is quite often mind you) is Contagion also by Arena. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 11:24
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All of the bands & artists mentioned are excellent and recommended. I will also add my favourite of the moment, Introitus. Elements, a 2011 release, is pure gold. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 11:25
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Sadly, I have not heard Contagion yet. I've only got a couple of albums from Arena, but I really need to remedy that one of these days. -------------
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 11:26
Contagion is a very good album Scott - you would enjoy it  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 11:30
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 12:38
I recommend you to start with this two albums: Script for a Jester's Tear by Marillion: Defined Neo Prog with masterpieces as the title song and Garden Party  Masquerade Overture by Pendragon: Masterpiece, not a weak track, and the CD has some good bonus tracks as The King in the Castle that reminds me of Entangled. Enjoy Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 13:20
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 13:44
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PA's Neo page is a good guide
http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=18" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=18
As is frequently the case I would recommend to investigate a bit in chronological order, because in this way you feel the way the sub-genre actually developed and you experience it in a similar way as those of us who were following it at the time. As Ivan says the first albums by Marillion defined the genre (don't forget Grendel which was actually their first EP, now more easily found in the B'Sides Themselves CD).
Pendragon, Arena, Twelft Night, IQ and Pallas quickly followed.
Some favourites of mine are:
Marillion: Script / Fugazi / Misplaced Childhood and Clutching At Straws
Jadis: More Than Meets The Eye
Arena: Pride / The Visitor
Quidam: selt-titled debut
IQ: Tales From The Lush Attic / The Wake / The Seventh House
Pendragon: The Jewel (is not sooooo good but defines the sub-genre as well) / The World / The Masquerade Overture
Pallas: The Sentinel (not a masterpice either but also defining a sub-set of the genre)
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Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 18:28
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Hey you Prog fellows, i'm amazed how about Marillion it's always Marillion aka Fish, i love both but what about Marillion aka Hogart? In fact i prefer the further albums, i mean about music ------------- FAIS QUE TON REVE SOIT PLUS LONG QUE LA NUIT HAVE YOUR DREAM LASTING LONGER THAN THE NIGHT |
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 19:30
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Posted By: GoldenGod2112
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 23:50
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Thanks again for all of your recommendations!
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 15 2011 at 23:59
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Surprised there aren't more comments saying how neo prog is terrible but giving no real reason why. Not sure what this genre really is but I've heard an album by that band Pendragon and it didn't seem too bad. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 00:10
I like these threads because it shows me whose opinions never to take seriously because they can't keep from sh*tting up the forum.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 00:13
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Twelfth Night - Fact And Fiction The Puppet Show - The Tale Of Woe
I also support the Fish era Marillion (first four albums mentioned by Girensky), IQ, and Arena suggestions. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 00:29
If you mean me specifically chillax I'm 100% serious, I jut don't know what it is. What makes it anything special? (From prog rock in general). I want to know. Admittedly I never bothered with neo prog because there's already so many genres and bands and I wanted to explore things outside rock in general. But yeah, no one has told me why it "sucks" At best, apparently neo prog band is a Genesis rip off but that sounds like silly BS to me. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 01:43
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Posted By: GoldenGod2112
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 11:52
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I'm listening to Marillion's first album!
I like what I'm hearing so far. ------------- The future's uncertain and the end is always near. - Jim Morrison |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 12:24
Scott, I don't know if you've tried this but here's my trick: I set up a wishlist on Amazon for myself with everything I'd like to get. Amazon has a bunch of suppliers so stock and price is always changing. I just check my wish list every time I have money and see where the deals are, I usually wait until the listed price is under $10. This puts the total cost including shipping at $13.00 which is reasonable in my mind. I did check, Contagion is still above the ten dollar mark, but as I said keep checking back. When something that you've been waiting on for a while suddenly becomes reasonably priced, it's a pleasant surprise. Good luck, Tom ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 12:58
Marbles is a bonafide five star classic masterpiece. In fact, the greatest album ever recorded. Every home should have a copy. in fact, Cameron should enact legislation to that effect.  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 13:04
Sad but true. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 14:00
It's a good album if you like hard-edged Neo but do not overexpect IMO. Here it is rated higher than Inmortal? but personally I prefer Inmortal? and even more the Paul Wrightson era mostly The Visitor and Pride, I think these are their best 2 albums.
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Posted By: JS19
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 14:07
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I would say: Not Of This World - Pendragon The Masquerade Overture - Pendragon Contagion - Arena IQ - Frequency A Different Man - Knight Area Posthumous Silence - Sylvan (especially this one) Misplaced Childhood - Marillion Pretty typical list, but you can't really go wrong here :) Enjoy! |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 15:47
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Posted By: voliveira
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 19:21
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Pendragon-Pure Arena-Contagion Sylvan-Posthumous Silence Marillion-Script for a Jester's Tears (in my opinion is not a masterpiece, but is responsible for defining the genre) ------------- "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be" Matthew 6:21 |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 23:13
Woa there cupcake.
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 23:16
He asked my opinion, I gave it. |
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: September 16 2011 at 23:47
It's not hard to sum up how the concept of neo-prog is weak. People may like it, but it is still a conceptually failed subgenre. -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:07
You did. Just not a very good one. Highly recommend: Marillion - Brave Marillion - Marbles Marillion - Afraid Of Sunlight Marillion - Seasons End Marillion - Misplaced Childhood Sylvan - Posthumous Silence IQ - Subterranea IQ - The Seventh House IQ - Dark Matter IQ - Frequency Pendragon - Pure Pendragon - Not Of This World Frost* - Milliontown Arena - The Visitor Arena - Immortal? Sean Filkins - War & Peace and Other Short Stories (could be symph) Kino - Picture It Bites - The Tall Ships Pallas - The Dreams Of Men In a pinch: Arena - Contagion Darwin's Radio - Template For A Generation Iluvatar - Children Galahad - Empires Never Last Mystery - One Among The Living Magic Of Pie - Circus Of Life Pallas - XXV Pallas - The Cross + The Crucible And I've tooted this horn until I'm about to pass out, but I prefer the Hogarth era of Marillion (surprise to those who know me, eh?). The 4 discs with Fish are brilliant, but what they did with Brave (and the subsequent AoS and Marbles) were far better <<key words alert>> in my opinion than anything with Fish. Hogarth brought a whole new dynamic to this band, and after seeing them twice at the past two conventions it's without a shadow of a doubt that he is the key figure of this band...and rightfully so. Despite what a fellow member tried to convince me a few years ago, Hogarth is a far superior singer. He has lost a lot of that once amazing voice, but he really brings it on stage. I've seen a lot of bands, but Marillion truly leave you breathless. E ------------- 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:12
Do yourself a favor and pick up the 2 disc version of Marbles. Madfish has just re-released it and you can get it over at marillion.com. Anoraknophobia is also worth your time, as is Happiness Is The Road. I do feel, however, that Essence works better as a whole than The Hard Shoulder. That said, the latter has "The Man From The Planet Marzipan" and the absolutely stunning "Real Tears For Sale", which is easily in my top 5 Marillion songs. It may also behoove you to pick up some live albums. The series from the '09 convention are amazing and I reach for them a lot. Popular Music is also very good, which quite possibly the best live version of "This Strange Engine" ever. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:17
Sorry, but this is rubbish. If you look at some of the popular albums from the past 15 to 20 years, a lot of them are neo. Hell, just look at the past polls over at DPRP and bands like IQ, Marillion and Pendragon are choking off the top 5 spots, with any one of these bands taking album of the year. Weak may be your opinion; however, conceptually failed is ludicrous. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:21
I guess Salem Hill would be neo, too. Robbery, Not Everybody's Gold and Mimi's Magic Moment are awesome. Add them in, too. E -------------
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:22
So is 4 posts in a row, by the way |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:23
Pure is one of the best prog albums to come out in a long time. Really blows me away still. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 00:30
And you've backed this up with razor sharp logic like your other points. Go play somewhere else. This obviously isn't the venue for you (but something tells me you're going to troll around a wee bit more. Seen it a thousand times 'round here). E -------------
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 04:07
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 06:48
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Generally, there are gaps. You have an isolated case of (maybe) "Marbles II" flowing seamlessly into "Ocean Cloud". Marbles has as definite Radiohead/The Blue Nile feel in some spots; however, there are some true prog classics. Most notably with the brilliant "Ocean Cloud", "The Invisible Man" and "Neverland". Marbles is widely considered to be Marillion's 3rd masterpiece ... and I'd have to agree. Let us know what you think. E -------------
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Posted By: kenmartree
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 08:09
| way to go, Eric! I don't know what possesses some people to head for the discussion about what they don't like. I have MDK by Magma, not really me cup of tea, but I wanted to have some idea of what Zeulh was about. However you're not going to find me on the forum trying to steer people away from something they want to explore. Music is highly personalize in its enjoyment, if it brings something in the way of emotion and feelling to you, great. we can all feel sorry for these trolls, who obviously have no joy in their life since they focus on negativity. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 08:14
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 09:19
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I see that you guys have met trollceratopsoil and trollo. Both members that are basically members. My enjoyment of this site has dwindled immensely since their arrival, and I am quite sure that both will be quite proud to know that they have accomplished this.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 09:58
Kenmar, I will never understand that, either. Subgenres like Zeuhl and Kraut is something I cannot get into; however, (like you) I would never go into a thread and tell people not to explore. Just because it doesn't work for me doesn't mean others wouldn't just eat it up. Sorry, but I have no patience for attitudes like that. How have you been, my friend? Still waiting to see the video of you singing "Living With The Big Lie" at the top of your voice outside the L'Olympia. Didn't they interview you, too? E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 10:00
Same here. I come back sparingly, but things like this really drove me away. E -------------
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 10:49
Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread? And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts.
I'm not trolling here, mr. Bringer o' Truth Almighty. One has the right to defend what he believes in. I keep my sillyness in the Shred Room, and I don't believe you should bring your dislike of me outta it. -------------
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 10:57
Just your location tells me all I need to know. " your mom". How infantile and something I am sure you would only say to a computer screen. If you don't like something....state it and move on rather than hijacking a thread.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 11:00
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You're all missing the fact that nothing is actually good.
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 11:13
Ok, you know what Tricera . . . You're not witty. Try this, I believe it's an old adage, but if you don't have anything nice to say, please keep your opinions to yourself. Seriously, you've got like 12,000 posts or something, I think about 11,000 of them are about how much you don't like something. Please for the rest of our personal enjoyment, stick to the threads that you can actually add something to. You know what, maybe you actually do post to other threads with more constructive or useful information, but you know what, they're probably in threads that I don't read . . . My point here is that I don't read the Rio / Whatever thread. . . why, cause there's only so many times that I can say 'I don't get it' without sounding like a moron. Try this for me for one day . . . if a thread is titled "Neo-Prog" try not clicking on it. See, that was even easier than clicking on it. Normally I'd let you just continue to flail on but when you start taking pot shots at the adults I start to get a little tired of your lack of maturity. Grow up. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 11:15
Well said, ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: kenmartree
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 11:26
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Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread?
And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts. ^this part by polo
OK now we can have a discussion, tell us which albums and/or songs are a resuing of golden era songs and we can talk about interpretations of the music for both the golden age stuff and the neo, I'm gonng to give you Grendal right out of the box, not for the concept but the song structure, hey they were really young. you state neo doesn't create new concepts, what song is The Invisible Man and copy of? I have more but let's just get started shall we which discussion rather than bashing each other. |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:01
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Ok, a positive post to bash the trolls. I'm now off to do my Saturday night chore - the ironing!  Along the next three hours will be: Introitus - Elements. finest LP of 2011, and a standard bearer for exceptional neo-prog Pendragon - Passion. Simply sheer excellence To round off, Marillion Marbles. Three five star albums. What more could a man desire? ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:13
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:21
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<<Hundreds of discussions on PA have already proved that popularity isn't an acceptable argument in any discussion. Need one bring Justin Bieber to this thread? And it does fail in concept. Most bands in the subgenre base their sound around reusing successful formulas of the Golden Era of Prog and mix them with catchy, merry melodies. It's not hard to run out of ideas and become a self parody if they don't create new concepts.>> You took my quote a bit too literally. Neo definitely brings something to the table when it is consistently up there with there with the 'elite' as it pertains to progressive music. Not sure what Justin Bieber has to do with anything and cheapens my point. I suppose that is the purpose of the debate, eh? Regardless, you won't change my mind and I won't change yours. As for your second point: that can be said with a lot of bands in any genre. Progressive metal extracts from numerous forms. Does that make it any less valuable? I guess bands like IQ and Marillion have to apologize for coming on so late in the scene to make the naysayers happy (which is a relative term because some just don't want to be happy and have a springboard to b*tch about something). I will agree that I am getting a bit weary of the merry melodies of some neo bands, but it obviously appeals to others. So, let them enjoy it. And one needs to look to Marillion to see that the band is consistently on the cutting edge of exploring new sounds, textures and structure. No two albums sound alike...especially in the Hogarth era. Maybe Dotcom, Anoraknophobia and Marbles embody influences from one album to the next, but they always take it a step further with each subsequent album. They had a critically acclaimed album with Marbles; however, instead of making Marbles Part 2, they threw the formula out the window and went into a completely different direction with Somewhere Else. They got roasted over the coals, but it didn't stop them from exploring. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:37
Nice point, Kenmar. "The Invisible Man" has a sound all it's own. Same for "This Strange Engine". E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:39
Uh oh, that's 2 posts in a row. I'm teetering on being lambasted for back-to-back posts. Oh no, this makes 3!!!!
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:48
Double-posting seriously is annoying as hell, and it only increases exponentially with the number of additional posts. There's an edit button if you forgot to add something to your post! Not to mention quote pyramids some other people are building in here... James quadruple posts all the time in SR, I'm pretty sure he does it solely because he knows how much it annoys me (and to ensure nobody else will ever top his post count). ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: GoldenGod2112
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:51
What a fun topic I've created.  ------------- The future's uncertain and the end is always near. - Jim Morrison |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 12:59
^ yeah, welcome to the site GG.  I wouldn't sweat it though, sometimes the most innocuous of things can spiral into something unexpected. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 13:24
Pretty much. |
Posted By: kenmartree
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 13:58
Your're 19 years old, explains a lot, but you could learn a lot from ProgkidJoel
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:11
| Your're ignorant, what am I supposed to do about? Why don't you just post about the topic? |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:18
Was this post really necessary? You're just making this thread stay off topic. Stick to talking about neo-prog. If someone dislikes it, or you... just ignore it.
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:47
And I find posting about griping about posting to be annoying, too. E -------------
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Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:50
ok Laz, you have me listening to Marbles and give it another chance.. I kind of gave up on the Marillion boys after This Strange Engine. I liked Hogarth at the start but the more influence he exerted the duller they seemed to get. The songs just seemed to blend into one rather vague ramble- maybe they were just too subtle for me at the time. It's probably a bad sign that I really quite like cannibal surf babe from Afraid of Sunlight , right  ------------- 
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:54
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If some of you would actually bother to read the OP, this thread was created seeking recommendations for Neo Prog Another subtle clue that may have alerted you to this fact is the section it's placed in (i.e. Prog Recommendations) It should also be self-evident that if someone doesn't like Neo-Prog they are not in the best position to make said recommendations. All of us are free to like and dislike whatever we see fit but if an evangelical t-totaler wanders into a bar late at night and chastises the inebriates for their indulgences, what sort of reaction do you seriously think they will get? Stop sniping (Take it Outside in Bouncer speak) ------------- 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:54
But not a fraction as annoying about trolls coming in, taking a squat and crapping all over a thread. I can doubt myself a lot, but I'm friggin' dead on about this one. E -------------
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:57
| Reading comprehension is pretty much my strong suit. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 14:57
I hear that from time-to-time. Marillion isn't for everyone. I commend you for giving them a try, though. It does say a lot regarding your tastes that you enjoy "Cannibal Surf Babe" the most on Afraid Of Sunlight. I'm saying it's bad, but gives me a better understanding of what you're gravitating towards. I think it's safe to say that Marillion isn't for you. That's quite alright, though. E -------------
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Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 15:05
the thing i like about CSB is that it is at least in a different tempo from the rest of the album. AoS isn't bad it just seemed to lack a bit of oomph. which is fine - the guys are going for mood and a generally languid atmosphere (rather than oomph). I'm quite enjoying Marbles btw. It's not blowing me away yet but it's not dull either. -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 15:09
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Afraid Of Sunlight is a whole 'nother being. I like how soft spoken it is, but at the same time very powerful and emotive. "Cannibal Surf Babe" definitely throws a twist in. E -------------
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 15:24
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Marillion is one of those bands that I keep thinking that I should like more than I do, and I keep trying to love them wholeheartedly but I remain hiss and miss. My latest find was Neverland off of Marbles, absolutely wonderful and atmospheric song. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:12
Yes, but if anybody listened to me the thread would be easier to read for everyone...
Well actually, the problem was that you didn't ignore them because PA doesn't understand how the internet works... ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:17
Oh yeah, once more round the block for that wheezing ol' chestnut 'blame the victim'  -------------
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:28
I think he's just saying that the thread only goes off topic if you choose to respond to posts that detract from the thread in the first place. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:35
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The previous 3 posts (plus this one) are waaay 'off topic' but they ain't remotely close to trolling
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:36
Blame the victim is a bit of a melodramatic way of putting it, but sure, I guess that is a somewhat accurate way of describing my position. I don't think I have to explain to you the reasoning behind "Don't feel the trolls". I present to you WalterDigsTunes ca. 2007-2011 as my primary evidence that PA is extraordinarily bad at following that simple rule. And are you trying to drag me off-topic? ;-) ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: jean-marie
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:41
what about Neoprog?  ------------- FAIS QUE TON REVE SOIT PLUS LONG QUE LA NUIT HAVE YOUR DREAM LASTING LONGER THAN THE NIGHT |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:51
Melodramatic, moi? Point taken re FEEDING the Trolls but we all want (I hope) a site where nobody is frightened to challenge bad behaviour as otherwise the spectre of tacit approval holds sway. Whoops sorry.... back on topic -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:52
No. The root problem is that people who could give a frog's fat a** about neo prog are coming in and dumping all over it. That is where I was going with the comment. You essentially flipped it around and said I was the problem for not ignoring it when (in fact) all of this could be avoided if members would remain in the threads that mean the most them. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:55
Already gave my recommendations. E -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:56
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We can pick a day or two where we decide to be a****les and go into all of the RIO/Avant Magma threads and speak sh*t about them just because we have a keyboard and we can. -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 16:59
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Another recommendation I would have would be Subsignal's Beautiful & Monstrous. That particular disc just caught me completely off guard and was probably my best purchase for that year. New one is coming out any day now. Also Eden is another fantastic band. I heard a song from their upcoming album and it stands to be their strongest one yet. Great to see Rich Harding back and behind the mic after such a horrific motorcycle accident. It would be an oversight if I didn't recommend these two. E -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:00
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I recently downloaded About Time from Also Eden. It was really good. -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:03
But you can't stop people from doing things, and you have to deal with it in least disruptive way possible. If everyone in this thread had reported posts and ignored them, we would not be horribly derailed right now. But for some reason PA cannot resist responding, which is what kept Walter around for four years. Perhaps people feel they are entitled to because they have stars? But it's Ian's job to discourage unhelpful behavior with aggressive action, not yours. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:06
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They disrupted this thread. Not I. E -------------
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:07
Go after The Differences As Light. It gives you a better (and current) overview of the band now. E -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:22
Yes, you did. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:27
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I would strongly recommend that we drop any continued discussion about earlier disruptive events and let the thread continue unhindered. This really ain't much fun to read for those who actually want to discuss Neo-Prog. Let it rest fellas. (my largesse is strictly non-negotiable  )-------------
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:48
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Fish era Marillion is ok ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 17:53
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Misplaced Childhood is essential, IMO. I'd also go for Magenta, but only Seven and Revolutions. I haven't been able to get into anything after that. E -------------
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Posted By: Slaughternalia
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:01
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not a huge fan of the genre, but Misplaced Childhood is fantastic IMO. If you're looking for post-70s prog not in the "neo-prog" category, I recommend Moon Safari ------------- I'm so mad that you enjoy a certain combination of noises that I don't |
Posted By: GoldenGod2112
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:03
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What about Marillion's second album, Fugazi? ------------- The future's uncertain and the end is always near. - Jim Morrison |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:08
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Honestly, if you're looking for good Marillion material, just get the Fish-era albums. He's a lot like Peter Gabriel.
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Posted By: wjohnd
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:10
i like it a great deal. some filler but a mostly very good. Clutching at Straws is also brilliant. indeed i prefer it over childhood, which is overshadowed by kayleigh. -------------
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:32
Oh sheez, I forgot a sarcastic joke meant so much. -------------
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: September 17 2011 at 18:44
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I've personally never been a fan of neo-prog, but I personally value Arena over all the others. I remember Subsignal being okay, too. ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |