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Sckxyss
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 00:38 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Can anyone who feels that "De-loused" is still the best work from the Mars Volta comment on how the new album compares? I'll be honest, I haven't been terribly thrilled with the past two releases and I'm hesitant to drop another $12 on this band if it's more of the same. |
Be wary, as it really doesn't compare with their first album (that isn't to say it's bad, though). It all depends on what you didn't like about the last two. If you didn't like the ambient noise, then this album might be for you, since there is little to no ambient sections. If, however, you didn't like the unfocused, ongoing nature of the songs, you might not like this album. Same goes for Cedric's voice - if you thought it was annoying on Amp, it's probably even worse this time around.
That said, I love the basslines, drumlines, and complex layering of the music, but I do wish it was a bit more focused.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 21:43 |
I don't get the reaction either- it's not THAT different than their other releases (one of my complaints with it actually) and yet people are reacting like its Love Beach
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jammun
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 21:41 |
Wow, I'm surprised how many don't like Bedlam. I realize its in-your-face barrage is not for everyone, but to me it's not all that different from some of the more recent Crimson releases (which, granted, many old-time Crimson fans hate). I hear a lot of the melodicism of FTM in the Bedlam songs -- it's just abstracted, sped up, and played at 10 times the volume. What I don't miss a lot is the electronic noodling found on FTM, e.g., take a stunningly beautiful song like 'The Widow' and tack 2 minutes of noise onto the end of it.
I haven't reviewed any MV albums yet, because I've only been listening to the band for about a year and their music is so dense and multi-faceted (more of the former, less of the latter on Bedlam) that I've not been able to get a real handle on it, to the point where I could post an intelligent review. But then that's why I listen to this stuff. If I wanted something non-challenging I'd pick up Rod Stewart's latest album and be done with it. (By the way, that last comment is not meant as a knock on those who don't like Bedlam...it's just why I'll continue to listen to Bedlam and reserve final judgment on it for a later date.)
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Evans
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 17:35 |
Oh no! I hate to say this, but Bedlam isn't growing at all. I hate it. It's not without, merit (wax simulacra) but... well, almost! It doesn't "rock" at all, it's just disjointed and stupid, with a very irritating atmosphere, and Cavalettas is truly an abomination of nature.
I'm off to listen to Primal Scream...
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'Let's give it another fifteen seconds..'
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laplace
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 17:24 |
Well, I didn't do it to attack the rating. I realised that I'd gotten to the point with the album that I never want to listen to it again, so there was no reason to hold back. =P
Going by my ratings, it looks like I'm not a fan of the band, so there are four star reviews in Comatorium and Frances' future.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 17:09 |
Ah, laplance, I see you have decided to go through with writing that review! I must say, it is much better than mine, because it at least gives the band credit where credit is due.  I also see that you went ahead with the two star rating afterall. I would be lying if I said I wasn't slightly happy about this, as now the album's overall rating has regressed to a much more realistic rating of 3.7-something, instead of the 4.00 and beyond is was getting only a few days ago.
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Snipergoat
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 17:02 |
Im listening to this album now... I really don't know what to think yet.
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dpedal1
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 15:51 |
NaturalScience wrote:
dpedal1 wrote:
For me Bedlam takes the best of FTM, the best of Amputechture, throws out any type of filler and adds more focus to the compositions. That's saying alot seeing as how The Mars Volta don't ever really sound like they have a focus.
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But in my opinion, this is what sets De-loused higher than the other two - a "structured chaos", if you will. Your description is exactly what I'm after, and it tells me that it might be worth me picking up the album. Thanks.
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Give it whirl then. If you can, try and find the songs I mentioned on the internet to get a taste for the structure of the songs. I know you can find the Goliath and Ilyena videos on YouTube. Let me know what you think.
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 15:49 |
I love the new one and Deloused is my favorite then again I love all their albums a;lksdjflksdjfldksj
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Padraic
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 15:15 |
dpedal1 wrote:
For me Bedlam takes the best of FTM, the best of Amputechture, throws out any type of filler and adds more focus to the compositions. That's saying alot seeing as how The Mars Volta don't ever really sound like they have a focus.
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But in my opinion, this is what sets De-loused higher than the other two - a "structured chaos", if you will. Your description is exactly what I'm after, and it tells me that it might be worth me picking up the album. Thanks.
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Real Paradox
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 15:13 |
DO NOT, say Mars Volta are not good....
Realy it is one of the most creative bands in terms of Progressive Rock...They are great in terms of new sounds and odd signatures...By the way...They have 70's spirit in concerts and you can realy feel they're albums are Progressive and Hypnotic at the same time, as well thay have great solos and the vocals are amazingly worked out on the studio...Man ,Mars volta are pure and true...Not that alternative rock mixed up with prog you hear now a day...Although I love that kind of Neo-Prog...I guess we needed a band like THE MARS VOLTA a long time past the seventies, but that is just my opinion.
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dpedal1
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 15:03 |
NaturalScience wrote:
Can anyone who feels that "De-loused" is still the best work from the Mars Volta comment on how the new album compares? I'll be honest, I haven't been terribly thrilled with the past two releases and I'm hesitant to drop another $12 on this band if it's more of the same. |
For me Bedlam takes the best of FTM, the best of Amputechture, throws out any type of filler and adds more focus to the compositions. That's saying alot seeing as how The Mars Volta don't ever really sound like they have a focus.
Ilyena is tightly written and performed.
Metatron and Goliath are two epics with shifting time changes and rhythms.
Soothsayer is very hypnotic
Even Tourniquet Man is great in my opinion.
Bedlam will have to grow on you, but then again all TMVs stuff needs time to grow. I have been listening to it non-stop since I picked it up and I am still uncovering little details.
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Padraic
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 14:47 |
Can anyone who feels that "De-loused" is still the best work from the Mars Volta comment on how the new album compares? I'll be honest, I haven't been terribly thrilled with the past two releases and I'm hesitant to drop another $12 on this band if it's more of the same.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 14:13 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ I read the review ... almost every point you make I see completely different, as do the various reviews I read in magazines. For example the drummer - he receives nothing but praise from most reviewers.
Well, it's surely amazing how different the same thing can appear for different people.
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Absolutely. Well, I think it really depends on what aspect of the record you focus on. I'm sure a certain aspect of this drummer (probably his hopped-up-on-speed style playing) seems great to some poeple, while others (like myself) miss the old guy, who seemed (at least based on what I've heard on this record) to have a much more creative take on rhythm and backbeat.
Same thing with everything else; one could argue that the different style of singing Cedric is doing here is fantastic, but I certainly don't feel that way.
Meh...I'm probably being too hard on it  .
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 02:09 |
^ I read the review ... almost every point you make I see completely different, as do the various reviews I read in magazines. For example the drummer - he receives nothing but praise from most reviewers. Well, it's surely amazing how different the same thing can appear for different people.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 06 2008 at 00:52 |
Sckxyss wrote:
Wow.. you sure let 'em have it with that last review, eh p0mt3?  |
 Glad to see someone is reading my work,
Yeah, well, I was a little harsh I admit, but I suppose I was waiting on reviewing it until I could sit down and listen to "De-loused" all the way through and compare the two. The absolute perfection that was ''De-loused" gave me enough insentive to never listen to "Bedlam" again. I mean, why listen to that when I can enjoy a far superior record from the same band? It's like choosing between CTTE and Union in terms of Yes albums; the choice is clear.
Ya never know, years from now I may give it a spin and completely change my mind, completely contradicting every bad thing I said about it in that review, but as of right now, I don;t see myself listening to it in any forseeable future.
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Sckxyss
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 23:55 |
Wow.. you sure let 'em have it with that last review, eh p0mt3? 
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 09:20 |
p0mt3 wrote:
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I'm deeply sorry.
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Oh no, it's okay. I just wanted to make sure you understood where I was coming from. I admit, I did jump the gun a bit with Bedlam, but luckily I wasn't dissapointed with my second TMV venture; I bought De-Loused this evening, and I LOVE IT! LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT!
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well it seems you're not alone in the camp of not liking Bedlam though it seems to be better recieved than their last album  for closeness to Deloused (if at all) look up Frances the Mute....although there is a lot of ambience that some people find difficult to digest
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JLocke
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Posted: February 05 2008 at 01:18 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I'm deeply sorry.
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Oh no, it's okay. I just wanted to make sure you understood where I was coming from. I admit, I did jump the gun a bit with Bedlam, but luckily I wasn't dissapointed with my second TMV venture; I bought De-Loused this evening, and I LOVE IT! LOVE IT, LOVE IT, LOVE IT!
Edited by p0mt3 - February 05 2008 at 01:21
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jammun
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Posted: February 04 2008 at 23:11 |
I know I should let this thread die, but...
Now I'm going to have to go out a get Deloused, which I've not heard.
Bedlam is the first one from MV I liked the first time I heard it (I knew it was good because my wife said, "What's that white noise"), but she's never heard Frances.
I still find Frances to be far more of an aural challenge and would have never imagined suggesting that as a better alternative to Bedlam for someone not familiar with the band.
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