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Poll Question: Which of these do you feel may be a bit overrated?
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I love every one of those albums except for DSOTM, which I like well enough but don't need to ever hear again, so it's the easy choice for me.  On the other hand, only TAAB and ITCOCK are full blown masterpieces in my view, so to some extent I also view CTTE and SEBTP as slightly overrated.
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I personally really canīt understand voting anything else than Yes and also in that I understand most of the progfans think itīs masterpiece. But really I donīt understand why Dark Side is leading and not also that disrespect against Court. And that "first progalbum" is made by 2000 progfans, when I started to listen prog in the eighties, no-one talked about it as first progalbum. To me itīs just masterpiece, greatest KC-album. But before that there has become Moodies Days, Procol Shine On, the Nice Ars Longa Vita, Iron Buttefly In-a-Gadda-Da-Vida, also Renaissances first came in the same month as Court and Colosseum Valentyne Suite just month later.

But on the other hand these "overrated" threads are just so useless, people have voted all of these great albums, although no-one is explaining why he thinks Selling England or Thick is overrated.
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All very good albums, but I'll have to go with ItCotCK for similar reasons as mentioned above. It definitely does ride more on historical significance than the quality of the music. That being said the songs are great, but it's very clear that prog had a lot of progressing to do after the album.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I voted for ITCOTCK.  its almost mystical status of being "the first prog album"

how long is that completely false notion going to survive...  jesus...  

so yeah.. if that album is credited for being what any knowledgeable prog fan knows it is not true..  mark that bitch up and slap the dread overrated tag on it.
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I guess I would understand In The Court if I was born in that Time but I actually prefer the second one. And I think Frankyboy did prog far earlier on absolutely free yet I do understand that it set some important standards, but I think the others on the list actually set far more of them.

Edit: Although I have to admit that structure wise Selling England set some standards that led many retroprog bands into traps that make their songs (especially long tracks) very inconsistent in parts.


Edited by GrafHaarschnitt - September 15 2018 at 06:42
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I voted for ITCOTCK. as I wrote elsewhere the album consists of a prog song, a pop song, a tearjerker, a song of which the first two minutes are a pop song and the rest an experimental jam session that hardly anyone likes (including many who gave this album a 5 star rating although the jam session takes up almost a fourth of the album) and another prog song. hardly enough to give the album its almost mystical status of being "the first prog album"
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Cant vote against any as overrated. I did suffer from some Dark Side burnout, but after avoiding it for a few years, when I came back to it, I was blown away all over again. I probably listen to Court the least as a whole album, but the highs are enough that I refuse to vote against it either.
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I voted for ITCOTCK. as I wrote elsewhere the album consists of a prog song, a pop song, a tearjerker, a song of which the first two minutes are a pop song and the rest an experimental jam session that hardly anyone likes (including many who gave this album a 5 star rating although the jam session takes up almost a fourth of the album) and another prog song. hardly enough to give the album its almost mystical status of being "the first prog album"


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In the Court easily 
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This one's easy: DSotM
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Went with SEBTP, but was tempted to go with ITCOTCK. 
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I'd be definitely be voting 'None' if it was an option. These are all genre-defining moments to me, all brilliant albums in their own unique way, and I personally can't imagine my collection being complete without owning all of these, which I do ;)
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Originally posted by Morningrise Morningrise wrote:

I don't think any of these is overrated, but DSOTM is my least favorite.
 
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

In my opinion (and that's purely personal), I think all of them are overrated to some extent.
None of them would make my top 5 albums. SEBTP would make the top 10 and CTTE and DSOTM would make my top 50. TAAB would be in the top 100 and ITCOTCK wouldn't make the top 1000, despite its immense significance.
Funny. None of these are anywhere near my top ten - or fifty... or even hundred but I still don't consider them to be overrated.
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Originally posted by Boojieboy Boojieboy wrote:

I thoroughly like all of those except for Pink Floyd's. I do like their earlier stuff though. 

Piper at the Gates of Dawn is nearly an antidote to Dark Side of the Moon; a gleeful Bright Side of the Lunacy Moon. Syd Barrett provided what Gilmour never could, and helped balance out the sometimes dominating effect of Waters.
 
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In my opinion (and that's purely personal), I think all of them are overrated to some extent.
None of them would make my top 5 albums. SEBTP would make the top 10 and CTTE and DSOTM would make my top 50. TAAB would be in the top 100 and ITCOTCK wouldn't make the top 1000, despite its immense significance.
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I thoroughly like all of those except for Pink Floyd's. I do like their earlier stuff though. 

Piper at the Gates of Dawn is nearly an antidote to Dark Side of the Moon; a gleeful Bright Side of the Lunacy Moon. Syd Barrett provided what Gilmour never could, and helped balance out the sometimes dominating effect of Waters.


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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Well, I think Close to the Edge is little bit overrated. Specially the title track in the very beginning has sounded to me just "we all show our skills at the same time".


I love the title track and I don't see it as "showing off" at all. I think the intricate opening section is essential to create the atmosphere that is a key aspect of the track.
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