Swans

^I thought Tanner was the new member and Austin was only on the Math team.

i love the Swans......they do have Prog type stuff going on in their sound.....but swans are quite a one off band anyways.....no matter what anyone says in this post wont put me off um one bit......The Seer was me fave album last year.

^^ rogerthat, no this is not the problem

As Dean said above, they were initially suggested to the PM team who has voted 'Move' and this is under evaluation in the post rock team (unless you hear metal in them, I don't) - in my opinion the most appropriate team on this website to decide based on what I have heard so far.

Please be patient and post tracks from their discography that can help the team make an evaluation. If they are finally rejected (and I can understand why) then you can always suggest them for prog related, if a SC is willing to sponsor them.

Triceratopsoil wrote: Swans are prog, most of their fans and many people who don't even enjoy the music would agree.

Don't you see what the problem really is?  Classic example of the "fit sub genre first, to hell with whether or not it is prog" syndrome in this website.   As for prog identity,  the label of progressive rock was applied after the fact to several bands from back in the day so, no, whether the band or their fans regularly identify themselves as prog is not really a foolproof acid test (though the thinking increasingly seems to be that it is).   I thought Bjork was an amazing addition but since then, the website is seemingly fighting shy of bold additions with greater determination.

I mean, if you simply pass this off as, say, an Amon Duul II track, I am not sure how many people are going to vociferously cry this is not prog.  Maybe change the date to 1972 also if that helps. 






Edited by rogerthat - March 03 2013 at 03:17

Dean wrote: bytor2112 wrote: ^They absolutely do, just like most of the Post Rock bands listed on PA. All I think is that if bands like Godspeed (like Max mentioned), or Sigur Ros are here, then why shouldn't Swans be here? I'd say Prog-Related without a doubt.  Because we absolutely do not play "If Band X are here then Band Y should be here" games.   That argument has never worked and it will never work.

infocat wrote: Per your signature, what are you willing to pay?

^They absolutely do, just like most of the Post Rock bands listed on PA. All I think is that if bands like Godspeed (like Max mentioned), or Sigur Ros are here, then why shouldn't Swans be here? I'd say Prog-Related without a doubt. 

Fox On The Rocks wrote: Guldbamsen wrote: We've had this discussion a couple of times before, but what perhaps is one of the key reasons(and probably also one of the hardest to grasp really) for not including an act like Swans, is not that they aren't progressive, because they are, but because they aren't prog. There is a difference. I don't know what to stamp The Seer with, other than it was my pick of the year for 2012, but in regards to PA - I haven't got a clue. Sometimes bands can be extremely progressive and foreseeing, yet still they don't seem to fit in at PA. That's the truth, and also the reason why some folks get their panties in a twist, because the likes of Boris, Future Sound of London, Pharoah Sanders and fellow minded pioneers aren't included. Great point man. I mean, I don't want to get too fancy over this whole situation, in the end it's all good music of course. But take a band like Godspeed You! Black Emperor or Boredoms. These bands, much like Swans, are contemporary "progressive", experimental, innovative acts, but are not typically considered "Prog", but they happen to be on PA. Godspeed being very much similar to Swans, in my opinion. So if these bands are on here, why can't Swans?

Thanks man!

First of all, I am no expert on this, I don't believe anyone can be, this is all made up things we say about music in order to get at least some bearing on what we hear, so we can better navigate and locate.
Personally, even if I seem like I speak against it in a lot of these threads, I am in favour of being inclusive, though not in the way of opening the door to Dire Straits and U2... I do however believe Future Sound of London should be here in prog electronic, and I think Swans should as well. Where? Prog related seems like a real opportunity, I mean these guys have been hugely inspirational all through the 80s and up to now, add to that flick flacking round in different genres - continuing to evolve and experiment. They certainly left a trail behind them, and I hear a lot of the avant bands that sound strangely influenced by them.

Dean wrote: ArturdeLara wrote: Fox On The Rocks wrote: Let's do it. 1 - Go to José Cid's PA page 2 - Move the mouse cursor to "Discography" 3 - Close your eyes 4 - Press the left mouse button 5 - Prepare for a bittersweet surprise 6 - Open your eyes Oh btw,     Nice work. Thank you.

That's fantastic.

ArturdeLara wrote: Fox On The Rocks wrote: Let's do it. 1 - Go to José Cid's PA page 2 - Move the mouse cursor to "Discography" 3 - Close your eyes 4 - Press the left mouse button 5 - Prepare for a bittersweet surprise 6 - Open your eyes Oh btw,