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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 17:26
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

No music, as long as it is listened to and appreciated, is dead, regardless of what any "fashion", or "in vogue" period would dictate
              heck, i listen to and appreciate music recordings from before 1900, let alone 1989, and they work wonders for me
           the worst thing that anybody can do is to dictate what has value and what does not
          All music is not crap, it is all good -to whomever likes it
 
Shhhhh!!!
 
That is way too musically literate to be posted here and everyone will think you are being stubborn like Mosh!
 
Actually there is a good point to that ... as an "experiential" art, it dies the moment after it passes, and it is your mind that recreates something of that moment that is not necessarily a part of it.
 
Recordings and such, allow for us to "relive" that moment and feeling, and even that is hardly the original feeling from that one specific moment in time ... and thus, when it changes so much, eventually most of us will get bored with it.
 
I live for those moments, and the only music that stands up in my ears and mind is the music that ... opens up that incredible array of images and thoughts and everything else you can think of ... and the day it came from, has absolutely nothing to do with it at all ... not one iota.
 
I do think that Walter's comment has a lot more to do with the commercial crap than it does the music itself. It has a tendency to make the music appear to look better when so few people around you have the patience or the ability to even sit through 5 minutes of what you and I can listen to.
 
Hi, Mosh,
            I like and relate to your concept of "reliving" a moment and feeling with a recording-man, it is like true time travel! In some ways, for myself, the further back in time, the greater the thrill! But , like you say, the feeling does change in a way over time-i guess where we may differ is that the date of a recording does have something to do with it, for me. Not in a sort of "classification" way, but as a sort of historical study, you might say (part of my background is historical research, archaeology, museum work), so dates mean something,but not in a pretentious, "show me" kind of way-my next project is to find the recordings from the pianist Hoffmann that were made literally days from Edison's cylinder machine invention (1888) Now, talk about a blast from the past!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 17:01
im began a King Crimson marathon of all the studio albums, (particularly for the 70s output, we'll see what happens after Red Wink). I'm up to In The Wake of Poseidon and all i can say is...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 16:53
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Don't you mean "Post Neo"?
 
No, that will only start in 2025 Wink
 
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This timing seems right to me, but the name Post Neo will only be used in France and Québec, and maybe in some other French-speaking territories which may become acquainted with prog in the meantime.
In the rest of the world, this genre will be known as "Neo-Post". GeekWinkTongue


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 16:33
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

No music, as long as it is listened to and appreciated, is dead, regardless of what any "fashion", or "in vogue" period would dictate
              heck, i listen to and appreciate music recordings from before 1900, let alone 1989, and they work wonders for me
           the worst thing that anybody can do is to dictate what has value and what does not
          All music is not crap, it is all good -to whomever likes it
 
Shhhhh!!!
 
That is way too musically literate to be posted here and everyone will think you are being stubborn like Mosh!
 
Actually there is a good point to that ... as an "experiential" art, it dies the moment after it passes, and it is your mind that recreates something of that moment that is not necessarily a part of it.
 
Recordings and such, allow for us to "relive" that moment and feeling, and even that is hardly the original feeling from that one specific moment in time ... and thus, when it changes so much, eventually most of us will get bored with it.
 
I live for those moments, and the only music that stands up in my ears and mind is the music that ... opens up that incredible array of images and thoughts and everything else you can think of ... and the day it came from, has absolutely nothing to do with it at all ... not one iota.
 
I do think that Walter's comment has a lot more to do with the commercial crap than it does the music itself. It has a tendency to make the music appear to look better when so few people around you have the patience or the ability to even sit through 5 minutes of what you and I can listen to.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 13:56
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Don't you mean "Post Neo"?
 
No, that will only start in 2025 Wink
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2010 at 13:46
Don't you mean "Post Neo"?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2010 at 03:51
I think all of 1989 music on PA should be put in the section proto-progressive.
Or, no, all music before 1969 should become proto-proto-progressive, no?
Or maybe Procol Harum was proto-proto-proto-progressive, Gabriel era Genesis proto-proto-progressive, Fish era Marillion proto-progressive and 1989 was where it all really began with Dream Theater's When Dream And Day Unite and Marillion's Season's End Question
I think neo will start in 2015 Ermm
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2010 at 03:03
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 21:22
$ART_FORM that was created [before/after] $DATE is obviously terrible
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 21:20
Clearly the socio-economic, societal, and cultural climate of the pre-1989 era precludes any music made in the centuries of human existence before 1989 from being good. Only a moron would attempt to argue this point.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 20:35
No music, as long as it is listened to and appreciated, is dead, regardless of what any "fashion", or "in vogue" period would dictate
              heck, i listen to and appreciate music recordings from before 1900, let alone 1989, and they work wonders for me
           the worst thing that anybody can do is to dictate what has value and what does not
          All music is not crap, it is all good -to whomever likes it


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 20:12
Originally posted by Eärendil Eärendil wrote:

I think it's common knowledge by now that all older music (with the cutoff at exactly 1989) is irrelevant.  Not only is it unoriginal, but also bad. All of the pre-89 music will soon fade into oblivion to be seceded by the vastly superior modern music. The noise created by these pre-89 caveman should not even be called music.  Say NO to the dark shadow of music past and embrace the present! 
 
Even I will not be that mean to Walter.
 
Sorry, but I personally feel that the post is mis-guided, ethnocentric and disrespectful to a lot of music ... you might as well stretch your point to say that Beethoven is stupid, Mozart sux and Bach is a flippin idiot! ... and that today's music makes all of them look like white punks on dope ... actually, I would like to suggest the opposite, and I am not trying to tube down a band!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 16:48
Okay, I realize your all not being serious on this thread, but Id like to say:
for myself the turning point, the most important period in "modern" music is '60-'64*, when artists began to put out  their OWN work and not just mirror previous success/fad.
 
 
* even though the music was rather shoite.
 
 
And you know what? Im not being serious here either.
Devil's advocate, like.
 
Recall its the Baggman who previously claimed  he  LIKES  shameless copyists -  new bands imitating the 70s prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 16:30
The only real music was released in April 1983.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 16:19
I have no time for your retrograde buffoonery.

Accept creativity, refute the ramblings of extinct species.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 13:42
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Pre-89 music is not dead. It is not even undead, it is immortal.
 
In PA's studio album top 100, there are 71 pre-89 albums, of which the first one is encountered on #13.
 

Just a wild guess, but I don't think you were supposed to take this thread seriously...
 
You are obviously right, my answer was too serious (but while doing some research I detected a possible error in the WR calculation, used for the ordering).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 13:21
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Pre-89 music is not dead. It is not even undead, it is immortal.
 
In PA's studio album top 100, there are 71 pre-89 albums, of which the first one is encountered on #13.
 

Just a wild guess, but I don't think you were supposed to take this thread seriously...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 13:20
I only listen to ancient Greek music, which vibrations had been recorded on old ceramics discs.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 13:06
Pre-89 music is not dead. It is not even undead, it is immortal.
 
In PA's studio album top 100, there are 71 pre-89 albums, of which the first one is encountered on #13.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2010 at 12:51
Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

i never understand the post-89/pre-89 arguments music changed way more between 1979 and 1980 than it did between 1989 and 1990


This is because your name is not Walter.

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