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Xanatos

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 13:54

At least we have 4 RPP supporters :D

Bonnek

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 13:45

What? Iva Bittova's here? What? why? where? When? Tongue

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 13:44

Bonnek wrote:

Negoba wrote:

Bjork's Medulla is a multi-layered experimental nearly all-vocal album with complex rhythms, harmony, thoughtful lyrics and virtuosic performances. It is one of the most progressive albums put out by a major artist in the last 10 years.

That's why she's here.

I'm not sure there's anything progressive at all about that album.

Such vocal experimentation can be found all over the 90s, especially in avant/world music.
I'm thinking of Iva Bittova, Mikhail Alperin, Dmitir Pokrovsky and probably countless others I don't know.
It wouldn't surprise me if John Zorn has something similar as well.

That being said I don't mind her being here.

Iva Bittova and Diamanda Galas are already on PA.

Xanatos

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 13:41

That's why she's here.

, ok i will check the album then

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 13:08

That's why she's here.

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 13:05

Xanatos wrote:

OK i will wait the defense to come ...

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lazland

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 13:02

That's why she's here.

And that is one of the best defences/explanations of any addition to any site/list I have seen Clap

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Negoba

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 12:59

Bjork's Medulla is a multi-layered experimental nearly all-vocal album with complex rhythms, harmony, thoughtful lyrics and virtuosic performances. It is one of the most progressive albums put out by a major artist in the last 10 years.

That's why she's here.

You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.

Dean

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 12:47

...long wait

What?

Xanatos

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 12:17

OK i will wait the defense to come ...

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 12:14

I've defended any controversial additions I have supported. There is probably a defense out there here, but you were too busy griping to find it. I stepped down as a voting member and I can't speak to it as I really don't know her stuff and would have abstained anyway.

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

Xanatos

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 09:56

Starhammer wrote:

Hey Xanatos, I don't think Beefheart is prog.

Should I be banned from PA for committing acts of treachery and heresy?

Hell no.

If the excellent X-over team (yeah, those guys who have to separate the diamonds from the **** all week) inducted her into the Archives they have a pretty good reason to do so. If you think Björk's addition disturbs you, you can simply ignore her.

Ok , so can they tell us all that good reason then?

PD: Beefheart aint prog?? LOL

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 09:26

Hey Xanatos, I don't think Beefheart is prog.

Should I be banned from PA for committing acts of treachery and heresy?

Hell no.

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 09:13

I think it would be verry difficult or even inpossible to walk home for Björks sake since here home is surrounded by an entire ocean, I to swim that distant would probably end her life, or anyones who tries, but maybe thier is an underground tunnel, going from Scotland to Iceland which the trolls used when they wissit Hogwarts - the School of Whichcraft and Magic, Hagrid likes to spend time with trolls, threir is also probably a tunnel also to Bergen. Norway which leads futher to Valhalla, she might take that route.

Edited by aginor - December 08 2010 at 09:13

Hercules

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 09:06

Asphalt wrote:

Hercules wrote:

Any successful business/forum has to attract new people - perfectly true. But it also has to retain its existing base.

Occasionally, I attend the monthly (well it is supposed to be monthly if anyone bothers to organise it!) meeting of my local prog group. Last time, about 55 people turned up (mostly 50+ but with a sprinkling of youngsters). I mentioned progarchives and many said they had been members but only 2 still visited the site regularly - me and one other. We discussed why and the overwhelming reason was - it's not really a prog site any more; there are too many bands on who aren't anything to do with prog.

Now, I know many thousands have registered on this site, but how many active members are there? 400 maybe, judging by perticipation in polls? How many long time members have lapsed??

Adding new bands with a tenuous link to prog may seem like a good idea at the time, but IMO it dilutes the focus of the site and deters long term hardcore prog fans. Be warned - I believe it will lead to this site becoming an irrelevance - and it deserves far better.

Wait, what? That's a silly reason. (You may think so - clearly others don't, because they're voting with their feet) Bands are there to be looked at. It's not like they attack you if you stare too much at them or anything. Bear in mind that an overwhelming amount of posts is still about the same old things (I would estimate close to 90% deal with the same 10 or 15 bands in some way, shape or form; the rest deal with the definition of prog Tongue

). If anything, being stale is as likely to turn people away as moving too fast.

But coming back to my point. How is this not a prog site anymore? It's really hard for me to understand what makes it less proggy. The prog bands are still there, the interest in prog rock bands is still overwhelming, and the bands that aren't prog are most of the times treated as such in reviews and ratings. (I personally find it tedious to wade through reams of reviews of bands that contribute little/nothing to prog - clearly others do too.)

As to the questions of active members, I'm much more inclined to say that question has to do with the threads being about the same old things. Who's better, Genesis or Yes? What's the best Pink Floyd album? Who else here things Dream Theater is the best thing ever? (I agree completely that this doesn't help - too many threads are repetitive, trivial or just posted by the anally retentive.)

Seriously? Is that all we can discuss? Are those all the bands we listen to? By the way threads have been evolving lately, it looks to me as if new people are coming in constantly and old people (no offense LOL

) Offence duly taken! are taking the backseat. Being bored with what's discussed seems to me to be the bigger thing here, rather than not being able to keep up. How many times have threads been closed after someone noticed "I think we've had this thread six hundred times before"? Too many, I admit - but that's another issue.

Getting bigger doesn't take away what's already there. It only makes it more interesting and gives it context. As for the image issue (people come here to see prog rock and they see Bjork and run away), maybe it's a good thing to select your audience, i.e., to make yourself attractive to people who are not quick to jump to conclusions rather than to people who can't stomach diversity. My final point is that it's not just the addition of new bands that is the problem - it's their credentials to be here. I have a list of bands as long as your arm with credentials to be here as strong as or stronger than those already added, none of which I actually wish to see added. I'm currently listening to my favourite album of all time "The Best of British Folk Rock". Artists include Steeleye Span, Pentangle, Fairport Convention and Strawbs (all on this site) and New Celeste, Capercaillie, Oysterband, Runrig and Lindisfarne who aren't on it. I could, should I keep the habit of a lifetime and be awkward, put an irrefutable argument that 3 of the latter 5 are much more progressive than 3 of the former 4. In practice, I would put the argument that none really belong on a progressive website, fine bands though they all are.

Just sayin' Smile

My final words on this issue - in bold.

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 08:19

Xanatos wrote:

anyway you guys should make the site more transparent , this is starting to look like masonry

Look smart arse. This is the most open and transparent review site I know of in any media and in any genre - everything you could possible want to know is either here or contained in the progfreak evaluation tables - if you are too lazy or indeferent to actually look and to take the time to discover exactly how this site (and the 100s of collaborators that maintain it) actually works work that's not really us being opaque and not really our problem.

Edited by Dean - December 08 2010 at 08:20

What?

Xanatos

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 08:14

Asphalt wrote:

Man With Hat wrote:

So, in summary, I agree and may even prefer that the site should consider becoming progressive music archives. But, in reality, I doubt that will ever happen, esp since the threads of that nature that occured in the past died quickly with litter discussion.

Let's keep trying then. Resilience is the first step in effecting change LOL

The RPP support this :)

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 08:13

Xanatos wrote:

Dean wrote:

Xanatos wrote:

Dean wrote:

Xanatos wrote:

[QUOTE=Tony R]Don't bait me please.

Ok , any other guy who knows how this type of things work?

You have become too annoying for anyone to invest the time and effort into explaining a process to you that you will never be a part of.

I just want to know , why i cant know the process? , anyway that info needs to be somewhere here posted because is a vital process , and members like me dont know how it works, i have right to know, i just want transparency thats is all

You do not have the right to know anything and we are not accountable to you so transparency is neither here nor there. However, we have no secrets and everything yo want to know is readily available on the main PA site and in various threads in this forum. For example: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51990&title=band-submission-procedure

Thanks :) , anyway you guys should make the site more transparent , this is starting to look like masonry[/QUOTE]

I take it by this you mean blokes performing funny handshakes and trying to put the world to rights?

If so, it's a pretty silly comment. In fact, without trying to speak on Dean's behalf, (he's perfectly capable of that himself), I would imagine that he would find that rather personally insulting.

The fact is that this addition has split members of the site, no doubt. But it's done, and I think we should all move on, whilst also having a perfectly reasonable and polite debate about future additions and categorisations.

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Asphalt

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 08:10

Man With Hat wrote:

Let's keep trying then. Resilience is the first step in effecting change LOL

Xanatos

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Posted: December 08 2010 at 08:07

Dean wrote:

Xanatos wrote:

Dean wrote:

Xanatos wrote:

Tony R wrote:

Don't bait me please.

Ok , any other guy who knows how this type of things work?

You have become too annoying for anyone to invest the time and effort into explaining a process to you that you will never be a part of.

Thanks :) , anyway you guys should make the site more transparent , this is starting to look like masonry

Poll Question: What do you think about Bjork addition?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Is Great! , she finally entered the archives	32	[43.84%]
I dont like the addition , this is terrible!	37	[50.68%]
MUST JOIN THE RADICAL PROG PARTY!	4	[5.48%]
This topic is closed, no new votes accepted