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Petrovsk Mizinski 
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 Posted: March 04 2010 at 00:53 |
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At least the last 2 Katatonia albums which are the ones I still listen to regularly (haven't heard the others for ages and ages) have that David Castillo/Jens Bogren sound, which is anything BUT sludgy. It's top of the line, clean and precise metal production
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Harry Hood
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Posted: March 04 2010 at 00:29 |
Wait, are you telling me Katatonia aren't already on Progarchives? What sort of madness is this? They deserve their place here far more than half the metal stuff that goes through. With their excellent musicianship, incredible use of dynamics and complex harmonic structure, there is no reason why they shouldn't be on here already.
They even have a DVD through Metal Mind! They've played prog festivals in Poland with the likes of Arena, Pendragon, and RPWL.
Progarchives just shot itself in the foot. Honor and shame.
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topofsm
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Posted: March 04 2010 at 00:19 |
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^Well, they do have a lot of sludge and doom in them which most of the post metal bands can identify with, at least a little bit. You just add to the case that they are indeed not really prog since they don't even fit with quite a few similar bands. They certainly don't sound closer to Dream Theater, though I suppose they do have a couple similarities to My Dying Bride, which are in Tech/Extreme here now. Still, I think they should be in Exp/Post too if anything.
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Dim
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 21:47 |
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Okay, not trying to be too argumentative, but how would they fit in experimental post metal? Their use of pop song structures, clean vocals, and rather conventional use of guitar tone/use does not warrant them Experimental, and certainl not post metal. When you compare them to groups like Isis, Tool, or Kayo Dot, their are really very few simularities.
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Kashmir75
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 21:35 |
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Prog metal, I think. I'm very surprised they're not on here.
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Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while...
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Jake Kobrin
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 19:56 |
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Experimental is where they would fit the best here.
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J-Man
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 19:56 |
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Experimental/Post Metal. It still bothers me that this band isn't on PA, but I don't think it will ever happen.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 19:22 |
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They certainly stretch out a little at times but not enough to warrant being included here
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topofsm
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 19:19 |
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Not a prog band. However if I had to put them anywhere on the site and I had a gun to my head I'd pick Experimental/Post. But I voted the bottom one, since they really just don't belong.
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aapatsos
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 16:56 |
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If they ''had'' to be here, Exp-post metal for me as well.
Saw them live a few weeks ago, really dissapointed, and their new stuff sounds uninspired and dull.
Not many (if any) prog elements IMO - I do however like their earlier stuff (I Break etc.)
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lucas
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 15:22 |
Check out MetalArchives for their metal subgenre...
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 13:46 |
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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UMUR
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 13:31 |
 Bonnek wrote:
sinkadotentree wrote:
Experimental/Post Metal is where they belong in my opinion. I clicked on "None of the above" by mistake instead of "other". I'm a big fan as well. |
I entirely agree, with the one difference that I was deft enough to click the right button 
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Yep Experimental/ Post metal IMO too.
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Camel666
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 12:52 |
Dim wrote:
I love the group, but if I had to put them anywhere, it would be prog related.
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they are not even that, imho.
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Dim
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 11:28 |
I like their use of atmospherics and vocal harmonies, but I just dont hear enough evidence to label them as progressive.
I love the group, but if I had to put them anywhere, it would be prog related.
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Camel666
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 10:23 |
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I like Katatonia's last album a lot. This said, I don't think there is a valid reason for them to be in Progarchives.
Edited by Camel666 - March 03 2010 at 10:23
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Bonnek
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 10:05 |
Negoba wrote:
Especially now, they go wherever Anathema / My Dying Bride are. They are (good) Goth Metal, not really that prog. But I like em.
Constant issue with me though. Just because I like a band doesn't mean they belong on PA.
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Yes it's hard to make that distinction. But looking at their entire career I'd say there's plenty of arguments to defend their 'Experimental/Post Metal'-ishness. Musically they fit nicely next to Anathema and the Gathering. They sound more technical and more metal then those bands, so Tool and even Opeth come to mind. That's 3 Experimental/Post Metal bands. And from a pioneering and genre-defining perspective they were amongst the first to push those boundaries. When I started reviewing here, Katatonia was one of the first bands on my list actually so I was very surprised not to find them here...
Edited by Bonnek - March 03 2010 at 10:07
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Bonnek
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 09:53 |
sinkadotentree wrote:
Experimental/Post Metal is where they belong in my opinion. I clicked on "None of the above" by mistake instead of "other". I'm a big fan as well. |
I entirely agree, with the one difference that I was deft enough to click the right button
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 09:46 |
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Experimental/Post Metal is where they belong in my opinion. I clicked on "None of the above" by mistake instead of "other". I'm a big fan as well.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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Negoba
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Posted: March 03 2010 at 09:42 |
Especially now, they go wherever Anathema / My Dying Bride are. They are (good) Goth Metal, not really that prog. But I like em.
Constant issue with me though. Just because I like a band doesn't mean they belong on PA.
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