The "Metallica for Prog Related" Poll

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Mike wrote: This poll shows the opposite. You may complain about the comparison with Iron Maiden ... but Metallica's own merits are the basis for making the comparison in the first place.   Not longer Mike, Metallica is loosing here also.   Iván

M@X wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: fandango wrote: I thought that M@x wasn't keen on the idea of Metallica being added to PA...in which case, isn't this exercise academic??.... Back when Iron Maiden were added, Metallica were rejected. But that doesn't mean that this decision is carved in stone ... and even if they never get added, we can still indulge in this academic exercise ... after all, we're here to discuss music. I am indeed more open to the addition of METALLICA that I was before , because the PROG RELATED sub-genre is now more understood and better integrated with the site. The artist listed-in now are totally justified. Having adding METALLICA at the beginning of the PROG RELATED genre would have beed really a bad move. Now I am more keane to the idea. So.... let's share your vote. PS: I voted METALLICA less PROG RELATED than IRON MAIDEN ;-)

tuxon wrote: IMO,     Metallica doesn't belong in PR because their influence on and from prog is really minor, (...)

^ Cool! I agree with what you're saying - it makes much sense to proceed with caution.

WinterLight wrote: There are two kinds of music:  good music and bad music.  Yes, it's really that simple.

IMO,

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Of course. This is why I'm simply gathering/presenting opinions here. The admin team and M@x can look at them and *maybe* change their opinion - it's up to them.   Sorry Mike, this IMO has already crossed the line, when YOU don't want a band like Avantasia, you make a scandal, you threatened with leaving, you say you don't want your name in the same site as the Admistrators.   But when you want a band you change thepolls and are manipulating the opinion with a POLL THAT SAYS NOTHING EXCEPT THAT SOMNE PEOPLE BELIEVE METALLICA IS MORE RELATEDTO PROG THA IRON MAIDEN   Isn't that what I just said?   Then Mike...This is manipulation, if somebody did the same trying you to add a band, you would resign (again)     Can't you see that the other poll had mixed votes? Part of the votes were against Metallica being added as prog metal.    Well, it's logical...You are the one that believes Metallica is not Ptog Metal.    I believe Prog Archives has a couple of  bruises but haven't harmed us yet, and you said worst things about the site Mike each time you don't agree with a band.   But this doesn't mean we should have more bruises.   I respect your opinion. But this poll shows that there are many who support mine ... which isn't exactly the opposite, since I said "at least as prog-related".   This poll means nothing Mike and you know it, If I made a poll asking if Metallica is more related than the Bee Gees, I'm sure Metallica would win and mean nothing.   If you aask the same people, probably most will say Iron Maiden doesn't believe to be here neither.   BT: Never said that Iron Maiden was a mistake Mike, read my posts I supported Iron Maiden, I believe Iron Maiden is far more related than Metallica, and my opinion is supported by the persons in charge of this additions. And then said: I don't ignore consistency, but even if Iron Maiden is a mistake...Two mistakes don't make a correct answer in reality, you just make the problem worst.   Clearly saaid that Iron Maiden COULD be a mistake This poll shows the opposite. You may complain about the comparison with Iron Maiden ... but Metallica's own merits are the basis for making the comparison in the first place.   The administrators, the owners and the majority of the voters disagree with you, only 5 people more believe Metallica is slightly Prog Related than Maiden, but not all who vote yes say if any of both bands should be here.   People can simply compare the most progressive songs of Metallica with the most progressive songs of Iron Maiden. In music you're always making comparisons ... you always need points of reference.   I don't believe Metallica has a proggier song than Ryme of the Ancient Mariner or a proggier album than Seventh Son of a Seventh Son.    Even if you chose Dream Theater as a point of reference, you could see the connection (as Certif1ed pointed out a number of times).   Certified has his opinion, I respect his knowledge, but I (as the vast majority here), don't agree with him. IMHO you can always ask.   But not create poll after polll to take support from the position of another team   If people were insisting in polls about how Avantasia should be in Prog Metal, you would had already made a scandal. Iván

micky wrote: well in my mind Mike.. if you compare them.. .Metallica comes up on the short end of the stick... as you noted in an earlier post... they early on..Iron Maiden  treaded heavily on prog metal.. if never quite reaching it.. and have over time... with later albums come closer and closer to it. Metallica has not and may be why M@X has vetoed this... who knows.. as usual.. we have no explanation from above.. Metallica  become a shell of what they were for a few brief moments in the middle 80's. That is NOT to say Metallica does not deserve inclusion.  I think they do.  Listen.. we ALL know you disagreed strongly with that decision... but the reason.. and logic behind their inclusion was rock solid.  It doesn't serve your purpose to compare the addition of IM to Metallica.. .because they are simply apples and oranges.

Indeed, I don't even think Iron Maiden "heavily treaded on prog metal", at least not to a great extent anyway.
Indeed, nor did they keep a consistent approach to "becoming more progressive" over time, as seen quite clearly in the rather straight forward style (compared to earlier releases) of No Prayer for the Dying (1990) and Fear Of the Dark (1992), while finally returning to longer and somewhat more complex material from then onwards.
What, on the other hand, was very clear, was Metallica's approach became more progressive each time from their first album (KEA 1983) to AJFA (1988). Given the band were up and running in 1981, that was certainly earlier than the mid 80s, and indeed, more years of progression/progressiveness in their sound than otherwise suggested.  And indeed to my ears, Metallica's first four albums put together are more prog than all of Maiden's output combined.

Having read through various threads on this I think it's safe to say Cert has provided us with some incredibly in depth analysis on how Metallica were very distinct from the rest of the thrash metal pack and also as to why there is no grounds to add the other thrash bands (such as Megadeth, Exodus etc).
To use Iron Maiden in this argument makes a lot more sense than you might realize, because while they represent two different genres of music, there are a lot of parallels in their situation for being here (at least, Iron Maiden CURRENTLY being here), both have a clear lineage of bands they have strongly influenced and at least IMO, Metallica has even more merit to be here under Prog Related than Maiden do.

Just a little comic relief on page 2 ... nothing wrong with that.

^ sure, but Evanescence ... that's inexcusable.