what about joe satriani?

On second thoughts, the album "Joe Satriani" is more Prog (the one you haven´t heard)

Edited by WaywardSon - April 04 2008 at 23:05

Engines is one of my favorites of his...  Prog?  not sure, modern instrumental rock let's say

now I'm REALLY outta here 

WaywardSon wrote: Atavachron wrote: bluesynight wrote: to say that he shouldn't be here because his not prog is one thing, but to say that he shouldn't be here because he made some songs for the masses is another... Atavachron wrote: I love Satriani but he's recorded some God awful stuff that's purely intended for mass appeal.. nothing wrong with that but it's a reason one could site for non-inclusion at a prog site hey man, I'm just trying to explain in further detail why he's not here, and what the thinking process may be among members and collabs   ..I stand by everything I've said argue constructively and you'll get much farther   Satriani may have released some slightly more commercial sounding songs, but nothing quite on the same level as Asia, Queen and Styx with songs like "Another one bites the dust" "Heat of the moment" and "Lady" So it isnt a reason one could site for non inclusion at a prog site (Actually he would go in Prog Related, which isnt full prog.)

yeah, except that's the exact argument that's been debunked again and again in this thread;  artists are not added based on who has already been added (cause that's idiotic, isn't it?)--  therefore, there must be something else about those bands that make them related to Prog

..anyway.. I think I'm outta here





Edited by Atavachron - April 04 2008 at 22:09

Atavachron wrote: bluesynight wrote: to say that he shouldn't be here because his not prog is one thing, but to say that he shouldn't be here because he made some songs for the masses is another... Atavachron wrote: I love Satriani but he's recorded some God awful stuff that's purely intended for mass appeal.. nothing wrong with that but it's a reason one could site for non-inclusion at a prog site hey man, I'm just trying to explain in further detail why he's not here, and what the thinking process may be among members and collabs   ..I stand by everything I've said argue constructively and you'll get much farther

I thought this discussion was over? Don't go running in circles, folks...

bluesynight wrote: Forsaken, sounds like linkin park. proper for war, sounds like muse. dark eternal night and consent motion, were more of a trash songs that reminded me of metallica.  so what? when DT do it its ok, but when joe do something for the masses its wrong? back in the old days,  the songs "pull me under " and the song Another Day, were played 24/7 on MTV, and they were on the top 10 on MTVs blablabla.... well you get my point.

Don't get me started on people who say "trash" instead of "thrash" ...

I certainly get your point, but the comparison still isn't valid. The title of the recent DT compilation says it all: "Greatest Hit (and 21 other pretty good songs)". Dream Theater became the blueprint of Prog Metal - not for Pull Me Under, but for their entire discography. Where's Satriani's prog music ... show me an epic, show me an elaborate concept album, show me some daring, experimental stuff. I could easily live with some pop "guilty pleasures" of Satriani, but only if the rest of his work merits an inclusion. And considering that Vai is only here as prog-related ...

Just because something is popular means it can't be prog?

Seriously though, Joe is awesome... but that doesn't mean he's really a progressive composer.

^ Listen to bands like Linkin Park if you want to get closer to the definition of "mass appeal". The only "mass-compatible" song on Systematic Chaos is Forsaken, and that strategy (to have one or two "hit singles" on an album) was used by many prog bands, even some of those considered to be the core of the classic prog movement.

Avantgardehead wrote: Petrucci's here because he plays down-tuned guitar-driven music with heavy distortion, chugging riffs, modern rock progressions, and insane solos and that's all that's needed to pass as progressive metal these days.

1)in his solo album, were did you heard modern rock progressions?
2) heavy distortion ? no its not enough to be prog.

2)his solo album is pure SHRED, there are allot others that are not here (including satch).

Avantgardehead wrote: Satch does seem to recycle an awful lot of stuff, mostly those blasted blues riffs, ewww. But he seems like a more genuine guitar player to me for some reason that I can't explain...

he plays for 30 years, what do you expect. and i rather listing to him recycle his music, then to hear him  ripoff other band like DT did on they last album.

ps
i LOVE the blues riffs(Pentatonic)

^ well does he avoid the plastic, vapid commercial crap that shows up on almost every Satch album?  I love Satriani but he's recorded some God awful stuff that's purely intended for mass appeal.. nothing wrong with that but it's a reason one could site for non-inclusion at a prog site