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Calvo
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Posted: March 01 2005 at 08:55 |
I would like to say that Dream Theater has the best musicians in the world. Unfortunately this great band isn't mentioned in this poll...
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Velvetclown
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 08:36 |
Well Fragile wanted to get rid of me and I do not eat anything hairy ....................well.....
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 08:27 |
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philippe
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 08:16 |
Among this list, well...Jethro Tull maybe, next King Crimson despite that Greg Lake sings really wrong!! this guy can't sing but I like his guitar bass lines
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Velvetclown
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 07:54 |
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Axe Victim
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 07:04 |
Gentle Giant
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This Whole World Has Gone Slum Gullion
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 08 2005 at 06:40 |
Fragile wrote:
You do gush Reedy; alot of old codswallop
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In the absence of anything witty to say:
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Fragile
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Posted: January 07 2005 at 19:08 |
You do gush Reedy; alot of old codswallop
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Garion81
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Posted: January 07 2005 at 19:01 |
Reed look back about 4-5 messages
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 07 2005 at 18:58 |
Thanks for the gushing praise Garion My Son.
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Garion81
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Posted: January 07 2005 at 18:56 |
The only thing I will agree to is Reed Lover is a geyser.
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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Fragile
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Posted: January 07 2005 at 18:52 |
This is a thread that could have us all arguing continually for the forseeable future.No matter our backgrounds or how we arrived here we have a constant and that is our appreciation of all things prog.We can choose whatever words we wish to describe another and some of us no doubt have a better understanding of the technical side of instruments, but it all comes down to taste and that will far outweigh our belief in another's proficiencies.Words like journeyman are very appropriate to me, but , somebody else will find the journeyman a genius and therein lies the real beauty of all music.Yes, I like to tell Three Fates she should get carted away for her delusionment about Greg being a better singer than Jon, but others will find Robbie Wiliams better than them both We are lucky to have embraced and experienced the music we love.This is a great site but how can I rid myself of old clowny. and just for the record 'Yes Rules'
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 07 2005 at 18:35 |
In the Uk a journeyman is someone not talented enough to make it at the highest grade.
Could be a goal for the next 12 mnths Maani. Secure an interview with Mr Peart and inform him that in your humble opinion he is neither creative, brilliant or innovative.
Have you ever listened to Signals or Test For Echo?
As for the legendary drum solo-could be red-faces all round if he grabs a Grammy!
Your opinion,which of course you are entitled to,is just that. You present it as received wisdom or a holy proclamation,my friend and that is what qualifies you for that award.
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maani
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Posted: January 07 2005 at 18:25 |
Reed Lover:
According to Webster's, a "journeyman" is "an experienced reliable worker or performer especially as distinguished from one who is brilliant or colorful."
I maintain that Peart, as good as he is technically (and I do not argue this at all), is not a particularly "creative," much less "brilliant" or "innovative" player. Nor do I find him particularly "inspiring." Indeed, I find him very "machine-like," rather than having any emotional grounding or "charge." "Colorful?" Maybe, to a minimal degree. But he is, as the definition says, mostly "experienced" (i.e., technically proficient) and "reliable."
"Journeyman" may be slightly overstated - but only slightly.
Peace.
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Garion81
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Posted: January 07 2005 at 15:08 |
Looks like one too!!!!
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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Sweetnighter
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Posted: January 07 2005 at 15:04 |
Reed Lover wrote:
Sweetnighter wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Sweetnighter wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Sweetnighter wrote:
Prog_Bassist wrote:
rush is my favorite band. Geddy is unreal bassist, neil in an unreal drummer, and alex is...ok guitarist. Alex is, in my opinion, along for the ride.
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first, i must say that my vote is for RUSH as to your comment on Lifeson, I don't think its that he's along for the ride so much in terms of riding on the skill of Lee and Peart, Lifeson is an outstanding guitarist in his own right and the band definitely wouldn't be the band it was/is without him... despite that, I do agree with you in the sense that he doesn't contribute to the band creatively speaking. I think he's just one of those guys who wants to bust out a mad solo... whether he had been playing in Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin, or Rush... I mean, he stands out among his band members. While his band members write and read deep philosophy, peart in particular, he's getting arrested for assaulting a cop in florida while drunk.
btw, i got geddy lee's solo album in the mail finally today... i'll make a post in the CD section later once i get through it.
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Lifeson writes most of the music.............................doesn't contribute creatively?????
Something seriously wrong amongst the Rush "fans" around here!!!!!!
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really? i thought lee did...
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Are you for real or just trying to yank my chain ?
Lifeson writes most of the music in collaboration with Lee!
How long did you say you's been a Rush fan?
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Well I know they write the music together, I was just under the impression from what I've read in the past that Lee wrote most of the music as opposed to Lifeson...
I first discovered the band this summer. Now I own Fly By Night, Caress, 2112, Farewell, Hemispheres, Waves, Pictures, Signals, GUP, Hold Your Fire, and Counterparts
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I first discovered Rush in Summer-the Summer of 1975.........
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lucky you! you discovered the band... twelve years before i was born!
don'cha feel like a geyser?!
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I bleed coffee. When I don't drink coffee, my veins run dry, and I shrivel up and die.
"Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso? Is that like the bank of Italian soccer death or something?" -my girlfriend
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Syzygy
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Posted: January 07 2005 at 14:23 |
Q. How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb?
A. 5 - one to change the bulb and four to stand there saying that Neil Peart would have done it much better
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Reed Lover
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Posted: January 06 2005 at 18:12 |
I am pretty sure the drumming community would be amazed to hear that Neil Peart is a "journeyman" drummer.
Maani create a new award:
"Bizaare Opinion Of The Week"
and award it to yourself!
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threefates
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Posted: January 06 2005 at 17:57 |
maani wrote:
Threefates:
... However, Lake is simply not the "virtuoso" bass player that Squire is. (I would say he is about equal to Wetton). Nor, as good as he may be, is he a "virtuoso" guitarist of any type - certainly not like Howe, Holdsworth, Fripp, Gilmour, even Hackett.
I have to disagree with you here Maani. I never said Greg was a virtuoso on any of the guitars, just the fact that he plays them all, bass, acoustic, lead and rhythm, extremely well and within the same song at times; which makes him much more versatile than the others you mentioned. Also he can do that while singing some very complicated stuff at times... with epic long lyrics... You try remembering all the words to Pirates.... Also I would put him up against any of those guitarists on an acoustic.. including Steve Howe...
As for Palmer, although I did not see them live, I have heard all their albums, including the live ones. Palmer is simply not the versatile virtuoso that Bruford is, or perhaps even Collins (if you include his work with Brand X). Palmer may be every bit as good at what he does (especially re "speed") as Bruford and Collins, but he is simply not as versatile or virtuosic.
Who would of thought it, but I disagree with you on this also. My advice.. next time Carl is in town doing one of those drum clinics... go see what I mean. I think you'd retract that statement!! BTW, I saw both Bruford in Earthworks and Carl and his band play in the last 2 months... Carl still blows him away... |
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THIS IS ELP
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maani
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Posted: January 06 2005 at 17:32 |
Frenchie:
Re GG, get Octopus, In A Glass House, and The Power and the Glory. Those are their three "must-have" albums.
Threefates:
I agree with you re Emerson. However, Lake is simply not the "virtuoso" bass player that Squire is. (I would say he is about equal to Wetton). Nor, as good as he may be, is he a "virtuoso" guitarist of any type - certainly not like Howe, Holdsworth, Fripp, Gilmour, even Hackett. As for Palmer, although I did not see them live, I have heard all their albums, including the live ones. Palmer is simply not the versatile virtuoso that Bruford is, or perhaps even Collins (if you include his work with Brand X). Palmer may be every bit as good at what he does (especially re "speed") as Bruford and Collins, but he is simply not as versatile or virtuosic.
Velvetclown: I saw Wackerman drum with Zappa's band; he was somewhat "restrained," but amazing and tasty all the same.
Re drummers in general, Peart is largely a "journeyman": he is highly technically proficient and generally tasteful within the bounds of what Rush does, but he is no Bruford, Collins, Palmer, etc. He may be a "virtuoso" solely from the point of view of technical proficiency, but he is not particularly versatile. Colaiuta is scary, and certainly a virtuoso in every way.
That's my two cents...
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