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debrewguy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
Posted: June 18 2008 at 19:40 | |
With all this criticism of the U.S.A. (which in my country Canada, is sometimes endemic) it might be a good question to ask why so many people want to get in.
many folks love their nation. many have immigrated despite this love. many have made America their home.many now love America as their nation. All in all, people, it's easy to take potshots at what is realistically the greatest country in the world today. Not the best, as that is subjective. My vote, of course, going to Canada. But please, could we balance the failings of this grand land (wow, nice alliteration, eh) with a few qualities. Or at least include some comparisons. Hey, let's see how the U.S. stacks up against - Russia, China, Myanmar, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Cuba, South Africa, Serbia, and a host of others. Add some europeens, scandis and other "civilized" countries, if you want. Let's see how the U.S. compares in freedom, rule of law, quality of life, opportunity, racism, corruption, hope, charity, etc ... Let's see if we have to admit that the U.S. isn't all that bad. Oh, let's see if we can give up the idea that the American government is evil when it does things we don't agree with, and evil when it doesn't do something we agree with. |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: June 18 2008 at 18:03 | |
absolutely f**king amazing.... today's youth....
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3450245&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1pos1 |
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Harry Hood
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 15 2005 Status: Offline Points: 1305 |
Posted: June 13 2008 at 02:49 | |
Man Overboard and myself do as well. I've lived here my whole freakin' life. |
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: June 12 2008 at 21:47 | |
you aren't the only one brother.... |
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heyitsthatguy
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 17 2006 Location: Washington Hgts Status: Offline Points: 10094 |
Posted: June 12 2008 at 21:29 | |
you only look at the leadership and policies with hatred? you have much more restraint than I
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: June 12 2008 at 17:33 | |
America used to be a good country. Now it's being bought by other countries. The leaders don't care, the citizens don't care. The policies are awful. Common sense is dead.
I appreciate the founding fathers as much as anyone can, but at the moment, I can't look on the leadership and policies of this country with anything but hatred. |
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TGM: Orb
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 21 2007 Location: n/a Status: Offline Points: 8052 |
Posted: June 11 2008 at 17:49 | |
Nah. Calling off the Sea-Lion offensive to invade Russia was even more dense. 'Sides, he declared war on the US as a contractual obligation to Japan, if I remember correctly, which gives it at least some excusability. Not his brightest moment, certainly, but Russia's entry was more pivotal in my opinion than America's. |
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: June 11 2008 at 16:57 | |
intersting... noble? that belongs to the men ON BOTH SIDES who fought for their countries.. having dealt with that.. governments ALWAYS act not of nobility but of pure self-interest. You say the most cynical of reasons... oh no.. nothing cynical about the blind eye given to Hitler and the rise of Nazism. Quite simply... the 'west' feared Communism FAR more than the Fascism. Note ..we didn't declare war on Germany... they did us. Want to point the single greatest mistake Hitler made.. that was it. |
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
Posted: June 11 2008 at 16:42 | |
Don't make me put a boot up your ass, because it's the American way, ya know.
'Cause I'm proud to be an 'Merican, where as least I used to be free... |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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WinterLight
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 09 2008 Status: Offline Points: 424 |
Posted: June 11 2008 at 16:01 | |
Of at least equal importance is for us to remember that the Allies, despite their proclamations of noble intentions, were really acting out of self-interest: Europe was under occupation by German forces while the US needed a way out of the depression. It is historically transparent that the victors could've acted to prevent the rise of Nazism (particularly, the Holocaust) in Germany, but for the most cynical of reasons they chose to turn a blind eye to Hitler (in fact, the American and European business community gushed over the sort of opportunities that fascism provided them). It is also noteworthy that prosecutors at Nuremberg candidly asserted that they would not regard as crimes those acts which the Allies themselves committed. Edited by WinterLight - June 11 2008 at 16:02 |
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Garion81
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2004 Location: So Cal, USA Status: Offline Points: 4338 |
Posted: June 11 2008 at 15:34 | |
Fair enough but consumer groups have exploited the fear factor as well as organized labor both of which have been in the liberal camp so it works for both sides. Hasn't Gloria Allred used the victim card in many of her well publicized cases? Lawyers in general make highly publicized cases like this to get THEIR name out there not to promote their political agenda. Seems like there is a ratio of an attorney for every 5 citizens. Parents encouraged their children to be lawyers and now there are too many of them and only so many government jobs to go around so they result to crap like this to get an edge. ' As for immigrants taking our jobs that train of thought goes back to the Civil war and caused riots in NYC because of how many Irish had migrated into the country. I don't think that is the relevant argument people are making now. I think it is more of how American companies are shipping jobs overseas and that does affect peoples lives. Illegal immigration is a separate problem in that most of these people and their employers are not paying the proper taxes yet use the services we all use everyday putting more of strain on them. Hey they can stay if they pay that is my thought. Maybe we need a national and state sales tax not an income tax. As for the conservative "ruling class" come live in my state Teaflx you might be surprised. Our republican governor would give Ted Kennedy a run for his liberal money. I think the ultra conservative group you refer to influence the lip service of members of the republican party causing the slogans you quote but as far as the overall leading party in the country it would be the democrats by far. They have control of more state legislatures and have far more registered voters. The religious right or the moral majority hit their highs in the Reagan era and maybe in an odd state or two they hold some sway but not really. |
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?" |
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Relayer09
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 31 2007 Location: Ohio Status: Offline Points: 314 |
Posted: June 06 2008 at 15:27 | |
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If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb
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GoldenSpiral
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 27 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3839 |
Posted: June 06 2008 at 09:01 | |
Yeah, hooray for D-Day and the folks who served.
also, reading through this thread... remember Teaflax? what happened to that guy? he was fun.
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Atkingani
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
Posted: June 06 2008 at 00:47 | |
Not an American but thanks goodness they were on the right side here... just remembering! 6 June, The D-Day...
And not forgetting UK, France, Canada, the former USSR, all other allieds and all the people who also fought Nazism (many Germans included).
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: June 05 2008 at 22:48 | |
yea.....another one of those frivilous, crazy laswsuits that's won on a technicality
like the hot coffee at mcdonalds, the guy who used his lawnmower on the bushes, or my favorite the couple having sex on the RR tracks and got hit, not only did they live somehow but when their lawsuit since no sign said they shouldnt be there |
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: June 05 2008 at 19:11 | |
whoa.. where the hell did that quote come from hahahhah
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debrewguy
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 30 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 3596 |
Posted: June 05 2008 at 19:09 | |
I remember that a couple of guys by the name of Vlad And Uncle Joe got quite spectacular results from useful idiots ... |
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"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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micky
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46838 |
Posted: June 05 2008 at 18:28 | |
wise words... http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2008/06/05/dnt.ct.hit.and.run.wtnh here's hoping everyone got to work on time... |
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Australian
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 13 2006 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 3278 |
Posted: July 21 2006 at 18:41 | |
What a wiredo, only in America
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: July 21 2006 at 17:41 | |
But in saying that, you're defending her slightly, writing off the severity of what she's saying. Wheter or not she truly means what she's saying, the fact that she's even saying such horrid things is disturbing.
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