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Jim Garten ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
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That's a very interesting question T, especially as you even claim to have more than us as a percentage... I may even have agreed with you until recently, but the popularity of our 'red-top' tabloids taken with the popular showing of UKIP in recent elections may just have tipped the balance back to Blighty. Yay! Go England Edited by Jim Garten - June 27 2014 at 09:50 |
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chopper ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 20032 |
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Maybe that's just in case Luis Suarez has taken up American Football? Edited by chopper - June 27 2014 at 09:57 |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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How many idiots are there in Great Britain? I ask because it surely can't be any higher a number of cretins than in the US even as a percentage, so I can safely say that at least this country would be a little less full of idiots.
And yes probably there wouldn't have been school shootings...
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Sure, if Britain had been successful in suppressing the uprising they would have made an example of the leaders, especially those who had signed the Declaration of Independence and, (based upon how Britain dealt with the leaders of similar uprisings before and after), it would have been harsh and brutal resulting in treason trials, executions and transportation to Australia as well as having their land confiscated - the right to bear arms would not exist (nor would the right to bare arms or arm bears). This would have left the 13-Colonies in no position to mount a second uprising. The losing colonists would have received a hefty tax increase, (just as they did for winning), however they probably would have been granted token representation in the British Parliament before being absorbed into British North America. I suspect that retaliation against the French for their involvement would have ultimately resulted in British North America becoming Canada considerably sooner than it did. As I outlined earlier, the borders in North America would have run North-South rather than East-West as they do now. The American Civil War would not have happened and the subsequent push west would not have happened, so the phrase "Wild West" would now refer to Devon and Cornwall and bits of Wales. The root cause of both the American and French revolutions was the Seven Years' War resulting in heavy taxation in France and Britain to pay for it. Because the French lost all the land they occupied in North America to Britain, Spain and the Native Americans and imposed a regressive tax system on their population the French Revolution was inevitable. So securing a victory against the British for the 13 Colonies without regaining any of the land back for France was of no comfort to the people of France - win, lose or not fight at all would only have changed when the French Revolution occurred, not if. However the outcome of the "13-Colony Uprising" would have determined how Britain reacted to the French Revolution. It would also have affected Britain's relationship with Spain, and thus Spain's relationship with France and Portugal so not have led to Spain's decline as a world power, the Spanish Empire would have lasted a while longer until it reached the tipping-point of owning an empire costing more than it reaped. What is harder to predict is the effect on Britain itself since losing the 13-colonies was seen as an embarrassment at the time but didn't affect Britain's position as a world power, the British Empire continued unaffected for another century or more - India and the West Indies were far more lucrative prizes than the plantations of Virginia et al. History suggests that Britain would have continued to be Nasty Colonial B*st*rds regardless of the outcome. On the upside, Mel Gibson would be an Australian sheep farmer who wears Union Jack underpants and has a picture of HRH Elizabeth Windsor over his bed.
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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If it's true that even Hell has a door policy, then croquet must be golf for sex offenders |
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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No te entiendo?
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Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
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Luna ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 28 2010 Location: Funky Town Status: Offline Points: 12794 |
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We'd all be speaking English
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65604 |
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^ Bocce for the sexually retarded ?
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Jim Garten ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin & Razor Guru Joined: February 02 2004 Location: South England Status: Offline Points: 14693 |
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So if cricket is rounders for the sexually repressed, what does that make baseball (ie American rounders)? |
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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Real football?? No, it's not real football 'tis a load of s
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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It's so long ago it's hard to say, but I'd suppose Dean has the right of it in a large way.
In the end though, America was probably inevitably going to fall out of British hands. If not by that "uprising" then another. I bet a few great American thinkers, notably Jefferson, would have been executed for treason. It would possibly send ripples through time affecting the French revolution, assuming of course there wasn't another more successful American revolution 20 years down the line. |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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![]() Of course the Untied States of America would not exist at all, Canada would run the entire Atlantic coast from Baffin Island down to Florida and its western border would follow the Appalachian Mountains, the next bit heading west would be Native America, then Spanish of some form, and finally the South and West Coast would be Mexican. Alaska would still be Russian and Hawaii an independent state (though they'd still have the Union flag as part of the design of their national flag). Having won the 7 Years' War, (which included the French and Indian wars) and suppressed the American Uprising (sorry, history would not have recorded it as a "war"or a "revolution"), which would have further humiliated the French, who were directly to blame for both conflicts. This would have dramatically increased France's national debt and sparked the French Revolution sooner, but this time Britain (and possibly Spain) would have stepped in to aid Louis XVI instead of just sending Lesie Howard to rescue a few nobs and so France would still be a monarchy, albeit just a titular one. Therefore the French Revolutionary Wars and Napoleonic Wars would not have happened thus halting the spread of Republicanism that ultimately led to the Russian Revolution. Which would also have removed the major impetus of the Agricultural and Industrial Revolutions - that is "total warfare". Industrialisation would still have happened, but at a much slower pace and probably not with Britain at its centre - thus Europe and the American colonies would have remained predominately rural and agricultural, and without that, so would the rest of the world. Without concept of "total warfare" WW1 would not have escalated as quickly or as globally as it did. France, Russia and Britain would still have supported Serbia, and Germany would have supported Austria-Hungary, but on a much smaller scale and confined to the Balkans - the war would have been the short war everyone had predicted it to be. The result of which would not have been an armistice so the Treaty of Versailles would not have put reparation debt on Germany - net result being - no Hitler and no WW2. Also a shorter, lower scale war would not have destabilised Russia so no Revolution of 1917 and the Romanov dynasty would still be in power. The technical innovations resulting from WW2 would not have happened when they did, computers, radar, jets, rockets and atom bombs would still have been invented, but not as quickly, similarly without the Russian Revolution and nuclear weapons there would have been no Cold War, no Space Race and no Moon landing so the spin-off innovations resulting from that would have been a lot slower coming. It also means that the State of Israel would not exist and neither would the Vatican City State. *sorry, I'm rambling ... suffering from insomnia tonight for some reason.
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Polymorphia ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 06 2012 Location: here Status: Offline Points: 8856 |
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If Britain had won the War, we'd probably have to be more specific about which war we were talking about.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65604 |
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and I guess we'd have this, whatever this is
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65604 |
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You had it right the first time-- I should've said kidney pie or something ![]() |
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King of Loss ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 21 2005 Location: Boston, MA Status: Offline Points: 16889 |
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Probably very similar to it is now, except for few minor changes of course (Queen as Official head of State)...
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akamaisondufromage ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 16 2009 Location: Blighty Status: Offline Points: 6797 |
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Marrow, last thing I saw, is a vegetable. So even if it was deep fried, the Scots wouldn't eat it.
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Help me I'm falling!
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ExittheLemming ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11420 |
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Yes, (I know) but I am |
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akamaisondufromage ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: May 16 2009 Location: Blighty Status: Offline Points: 6797 |
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Marrow *yuk* Marrow stuffed with Haggis *now you're talking* Probly wouldn't eat the marrow bit though. |
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