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Dellinger 
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 Posted: October 29 2012 at 19:29 |
 HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
I assume the reason their ratings aren't as high is because their albums were usually considered rather inconsistent and patchy. Unlike other prog groups, they didn't really have a 'unified vision'. They were just three guys trying to find common ground and often going in different directions. And apparently few people appreciate all of these directions.
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Exactly what I think. They have many songs that are among my favourite prog songs, but no album I love from start to end.
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 18:36 |
progbethyname wrote:
Ok so Karn evil 9. Not bad. It will take a little more time to grow on me. I will say that the keyboardist, Emerson is freakin incredible. I like his playing the most in the song and that is what stands out for me right now. ;). Doesn't quite blow my head off yet because I'm really into a completely different sound right now, but it'll get there. :) |
I wasn't expecting it to blow your head off. It's part of the lyric:
Come inside, the show's about to start
Guaranteed to blow your head apart
Rest assured you'll get your money's worth
The greatest show in Heaven, Hell or Earth.
You've got to see the show, it's a dynamo.
You've got to see the show, it's rock and roll ....
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 18:22 |
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Ok so Karn evil 9. Not bad. It will take a little more time to grow on me. I will say that the keyboardist, Emerson is freakin incredible. I like his playing the most in the song and that is what stands out for me right now. ;). Doesn't quite blow my head off yet because I'm really into a completely different sound right now, but it'll get there. :)
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Gimmie my headphones now!!! 🎧🤣
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HarbouringTheSoul
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 16:36 |
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I assume the reason their ratings aren't as high is because their albums were usually considered rather inconsistent and patchy. Unlike other prog groups, they didn't really have a 'unified vision'. They were just three guys trying to find common ground and often going in different directions. And apparently few people appreciate all of these directions.
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 15:07 |
Argonaught wrote:
TheLionOfPrague wrote:
It surprises me too how bad ELP ratings are compared to the other prog giants like Genesis, Yes, Floyd, Jethro, etc.... |
That's, probably, because they are much less of giants.
For one thing, ELP - even at the peak of their glory - were never quite a match for the intellectual breadth and diversity of KC, Yes, Tull or PF.
Their contribution to the musical heritage of the 70's is visible, but I can't recall them changing the history of rock music in a permanent way.
Then, if we look upon the meanings of the word "progressive" as a guidance, you'd expect a prog musician to evolve. For better or worse, KC, PF and Yes kept re-inventing themselves for decades after their debut in the 60's. ELP didn't. They had completely fizzled out by 1977 or thereabouts, I think.
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'Reinventing themselves' as either going commercial or adopting a self conscious minimal style to appease the punk loving music journos I guess.
ELP were just three guys but they were as important in that 1970 -1973 period as any as far as rock music or prog rock was concerned. Its a shame though they are treated with so little respect and so much contempt in general. But hey ho thats life n all that. They weren't perfect but they were influential and still discussed to death!
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 14:27 |
Dean wrote:
Guaranteed to blow your head apart |
I think I peed myself a little...
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 08:42 |
TheLionOfPrague wrote:
It surprises me too how bad ELP ratings are compared to the other prog giants like Genesis, Yes, Floyd, Jethro, etc.... |
That's, probably, because they are much less of giants. For one thing, ELP - even at the peak of their glory - were never quite a match for the intellectual breadth and diversity of KC, Yes, Tull or PF.
Their contribution to the musical heritage of the 70's is visible, but I can't recall them changing the history of rock music in a permanent way. Then, if we look upon the meanings of the word "progressive" as a guidance, you'd expect a prog musician to evolve. For better or worse, KC, PF and Yes kept re-inventing themselves for decades after their debut in the 60's. ELP didn't. They had completely fizzled out by 1977 or thereabouts, I think.
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Posted: October 29 2012 at 07:38 |
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It surprises me too how bad ELP ratings are compared to the other prog giants like Genesis, Yes, Floyd, Jethro, etc....
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I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 11:26 |
 with open arms I will embrace this track. I will let you all know how I feel about it soon. Gotta take the time to drink it all in. ;)
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 10:57 |
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Guaranteed to blow your head apart
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 10:48 |
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The live version is even better
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 10:44 |
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^You should! It's great!
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progbethyname
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Posted: October 27 2012 at 10:43 |
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I gotta check out this Karm evil 9 track.
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Posted: October 26 2012 at 18:27 |
Ytse_Jam wrote:
... though KE9 is an outstanding piece in every minute.
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Very much this!
Edited by Dayvenkirq - October 26 2012 at 18:27
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Posted: October 26 2012 at 15:07 |
richardh wrote:
In a poll that was done recently 2nd Impression and 3rd Impression proved quite popular, the latter getting more votes than 1st Impression. I voted 3rd Impression because its ELP at their most symphonic. I also love Pirates for similar reasons. KE9 stands up well as a suite and isn't unbalanced.My only reservation is that the studio version is inferior to the live version. 3rd Impression is a monster live. |
I agree, I consider 2rd imp better than the 1st, though KE9 is an outstanding piece in every minute.
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Posted: October 26 2012 at 01:26 |
In a poll that was done recently 2nd Impression and 3rd Impression proved quite popular, the latter getting more votes than 1st Impression. I voted 3rd Impression because its ELP at their most symphonic. I also love Pirates for similar reasons. KE9 stands up well as a suite and isn't unbalanced.My only reservation is that the studio version is inferior to the live version. 3rd Impression is a monster live.
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Posted: October 25 2012 at 07:22 |
BSS? BTB - wouldn't be out of place on a Chas n Dave CD, KE9 2nd impression is also fairly ropey compared with the first impression's sheer brilliance - Mind u like I've said before BSS - should get five stars - because KE9 FIP1 & 2 is an essential for any serious prog collection......
SEBTP similarly has the equally awful - "More Fool Me"...still a SIX star effort for me though....
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Posted: October 25 2012 at 01:40 |
Tarkus though does seem to be an album with a split personality. Partly becuse the band were not all on the same page. I think Greg Lake preferred a more rock n roll approach while Emerson wanted to expand the symphonic side. The album illustrates the internal battle going on but is still a fascinating album either despite or because of it. Jeremey Bender though is a really odd track to me. Not sure why they did it. The other tracks on Side Two are good especially The Only Way which is the most underrated ELP track. A Time And A Place is a full blooded power track and Are You Ready Eddy is a nice affectionate tribute to their sound enigineer and not a bad way to round off the album. Oh and almost forgot Bitches Crystal which allows Emerson to flex his fingers on the piano. On reflection its only JB that brings the album down a notch. Not dissimilar to Benny The Bouncer and BSS perhaps??!
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Posted: October 24 2012 at 19:54 |
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^Best first post ever!
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Posted: October 24 2012 at 18:49 |
Ytse_Jam wrote:
HarbouringTheSoul wrote:
Hey, for what it's worth, this thread motivated me to listen to ELP and I find them quite enjoyable. Tarkus might become a 5 star album by the time I decide to rate it. And contrary to just about everyone else, I like "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy?". They're fun.
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Jeremy Bender is a good track. Funny, but quite enjoyble. |
For me, I really like "Are you Ready Eddy?", haven't really understood all the hate towards that track. Sure enough, it's not prog, but for me a very nice Rock n' Roll piece (without guitar!!!). On the other hand, I really dislike "Jeremy Bender".
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