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The Pessimist 
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 Posted: June 17 2011 at 18:58 |
 Harry Hood wrote:
I feel like they have a lot more in common with Jazz. Death are a jazz band. "Individual Thought Patterns" is a jazz album. |
No they don't, no they are not and no it isn't. This is by far the most "derp de der" comment of the whole thread, and it wasn't even in the debate from earlier  No offence.
Edited by The Pessimist - June 17 2011 at 19:00
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
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Catcher10
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 16:48 |
thehallway wrote:
Death?
[does a quick Wikipedia seach]
Ah.... it is a band!
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Genesis. |
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resurrection
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 16:45 |
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In the beginning was Genesis
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weeksandgeeks
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 16:44 |
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Hey wait why cant i vote? I was going to vote Death.
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Everyone has photographic memory; some just don't have the film.
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Abstrakt
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 14:29 |
Genesis is more my taste. I'm selling my last few Death CD's now... 
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thehallway
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 14:27 |
Death? [does a quick Wikipedia seach] Ah.... it is a band!
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Genesis.
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The T
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 14:21 |
HolyMoly wrote:
Well, this poll inspired me to investigate Death, anyway.
edit: this is not a suicide note
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HolyMoly
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 13:33 |
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Well, this poll inspired me to investigate Death, anyway.
edit: this is not a suicide note
Edited by HolyMoly - June 17 2011 at 13:33
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b_olariu
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 05:55 |
Drew wrote:
b_olariu wrote:
I see some stupid replies to this poll, some dudes doesn't know a crap about prog music. even I like and I'm big fan of both bands, I still prefer Genesis, what they release between 1970-1980 is essential |
most of us post/enjoy "stupid" posts. 
Give me one thread where someone is NOT off topic or silly.....
Chill out bro.
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Gandalff
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 02:54 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
The T wrote:
For someone who can find obscure legal documents about any subject in any language, I'm amazed you haven't yet mastered the art of "googling"' or even more so, looking in your own favorite prog-rock website's database...
I guess it's just contempt for metal. |
Of course I searched Theo...What I mean is who are they to be compared with Genesis. 
Iván |
Look at my first post, it´s thought more or less as a parody to "Band vs. Band" polls, according to beginning and end of human life. Just for fun.
I know, these two bands are just like apples and oranges to compare, thus I´m surprised by such many "fervent" replies for this topic.
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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Drew
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 01:38 |
b_olariu wrote:
I see some stupid replies to this poll, some dudes doesn't know a crap about prog music. even I like and I'm big fan of both bands, I still prefer Genesis, what they release between 1970-1980 is essential |
most of us post/enjoy "stupid" posts. Give me one thread where someone is NOT off topic or silly..... Chill out bro.
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Harry Hood
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 01:34 |
Death aren't a death metal band. Chuck himself denied taking credit for the death metal genre, even though he's obviously one of the biggest influences (the genre being named after his band and all).
While Death use a lot of metal tropes and aesthetics, I feel like they have a lot more in common with Jazz. Death are a jazz band. "Individual Thought Patterns" is a jazz album.
And in that regard, they really have very little in common with Genesis, who have virtually nothing to do with jazz.
"Death vs. Hatfield & The North" would make for a better poll.
(And now I can't unhear Chuck singing "Share It" in my head)
Edited by Harry Hood - June 17 2011 at 01:38
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b_olariu
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Posted: June 17 2011 at 01:25 |
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I see some stupid replies to this poll, some dudes doesn't know a crap about prog music. even I like and I'm big fan of both bands, I still prefer Genesis, what they release between 1970-1980 is essential
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CCVP
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 17:43 |
The T wrote:
Now it's not the place to disrespect Genesis either (like Caio almost did, ignoring what they are).
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Quite so, I have been a bit too harsh on them, specially concerning that this is a progressive ROCK site, but I hardly believe putting my point more politely would change its substance. Anyway, I'm impressed it spawned such an interesting conversation. (and I'm being 100% honest here)
Edited by CCVP - June 16 2011 at 17:44
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The Pessimist
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 13:51 |
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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The T
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 12:25 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Protest the Hero.
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I protest this. They're horrible.
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Catcher10
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 09:55 |
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I prefer being 'born' everyday over being 'dead' everyday.....
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 09:53 |
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Protest the Hero.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: June 16 2011 at 09:35 |
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Good thread.
It has my own seal of approval.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 15 2011 at 23:50 |
The T wrote:
You all have to know and understand Ivan. He's not a metal fan, he's quite conservative, he probably has never heard more than two or three death metal bands for more than two or three minutes to be able to tell the difference. |
That's not truth Theo, Guigo knows this because he's also in a Spanish email Prog group with me, all of the guys (except Guigo because he lives in Brazil and a couple of Colombian guys) join very frequently to listen music and watch videos.
8 out of 10 of this guys like Metal as much as they like Prog, so we reached an agreement to listen as much Metal as Prog, we've seen Children of Bodom, Crimson Death, Disillusion, Massacre, Morbid Angel, etc videos...Sometimes for hours, because we join at least twice a month (In the past months I been too busy but until summer we did it constantly), but still, no matter how hard I try (because they are my friends and I want to enjoy the music sessions), I can't see great difference between this bands.
BTW: I'm not remotely as conservative as you paint me, most of the Prog I listen lately is from the XXIst Century, since Moonjune Record sends me albums constantly, I learned to enjoy experimental Jazz like Simak Dialog, Tohpati Etnomission or Slivovitz (one of the weirdest bands you can imagine)and even some incredibly bizarre Avant bands as The Red Masque or Factor Burzaco.
The T wrote:
He will never do it. For anyone with ears, Death (the band) sounds quite different from, say, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Obituary, Benediction, etc. But it's easier and safer to say they all sound the same. |
No Theo, it's easier and safer to keep quiet and don't say what you think, but that's not my style.
The T wrote:
Now, in the "noise" part, well, there's real art music that also contains noise (REAL noise) so that attack is not really too effective. Ivan's contempt for most (not all) metal is understandable and the reason why he threw the snart comment that I replied originally. Of course, in the metal world, fans would ask "Who the hell is Genesis?" This is a prog forum and many prog fans are really from a distant era... |
Of course there are, I constantly said that King Crimson´s Thrak is noise for me and that Gentle Giant is complexity for the sake of complexity, and I'm not from a distant era, I started to listen Prog when I was 12 in the late 70's.
The T wrote:
Now it's not the place to disrespect Genesis either (like Caio almost did, ignoring what they are). Genesis, in my view, is by far the better band (they are my favorite band in all rock anyway, on par with DT) but Death was an amazing group that made revolutionary metal music. To the Caesar what belongs to the Caesar. |
This is not the place to disrespect any band, you won't listen me saying "X band is crap" or "All the Metal listeners are idiots" , but I can say "I don't like X band" or even say "X and Y bands sound almost exactly the same".
Many people say Triumvirat are cheap clones of ELP, IMO they are absolutely different, but that's my opinion, I'm able to find that difference, but I would never insult anybody for believing they are exact.
The T wrote:
And really, don't bring popularity into this. The only place where Death will win is in a metal environment. In the big scheme of things, Genesis was 100000 times more popular. Which, my love of Genesis notwithstanding, doesn't really mean a thing. |
That was my point when somebody said that Genesis was an unsuccessful band.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 16 2011 at 00:09
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