Dean wrote: ...has he replied yet?

Of course not,I just sent him a message and he hasn't been active for a while on his site.But eventually,he will see my message explaining the situation.There's a lot of abstract(atonal)music in Karn Evil 9 formerly Karn Eval 9.It should be no surprise that they would use abstract words to name their epic work about a carnival in the far future.Karneval 9 was the perfect name for a future carnival as they describe it in the lyrics of the work.

Snow Dog wrote: Dean wrote: rematpac wrote: It has been totally officially changed to Karn Evil 9 many years ago,but it was NEVER A FIGMENT OF MY IMAGINATION.You can easily prove this by googling the words Karn Eval 9,and even though google will ask you for the other option since it has officially been changed,you'll still find other sites that call it what it originally came out as,KARN EVAL 9. Searching for "Karn Eval 9" using google or any other search engine does not yield irrefutable proof in the form of photographic evidence from album covers or official track listings on databases - what you get is a whole list of numpties who spelt it wrong in reviews and in posts on internet forums like this one. Go to your garage, open the box, pull out the poster, take a photograph of it and post it here, but if it is not an official Manticore published poster then don't bother. Even official stuff can have typos.

I don't have a camera,but that doesn't matter because I just sent a message to Greg Lake and explained the situation.He hasn't been active on his sight for a while but eventually he will get the message and when he does you all better hope he's just too busy to answer because if he's not there's going to be a big"I TOLD YOU SO" for all of you dis-believers.

rematpac wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Carnival = Karn Evil is also obvious. Karn Eval however makes no sense. Of course it makes sense.They only had to change 2 rather than 3 letters.I'll admit years ago it didn't make sense to me either,that's why they changed it.Alright,I'm pissed.I am going to email Greg Lake right now!

Dean wrote: rematpac wrote: It has been totally officially changed to Karn Evil 9 many years ago,but it was NEVER A FIGMENT OF MY IMAGINATION.You can easily prove this by googling the words Karn Eval 9,and even though google will ask you for the other option since it has officially been changed,you'll still find other sites that call it what it originally came out as,KARN EVAL 9. Searching for "Karn Eval 9" using google or any other search engine does not yield irrefutable proof in the form of photographic evidence from album covers or official track listings on databases - what you get is a whole list of numpties who spelt it wrong in reviews and in posts on internet forums like this one. Go to your garage, open the box, pull out the poster, take a photograph of it and post it here, but if it is not an official Manticore published poster then don't bother.

Edited by Snow Dog - March 30 2011 at 07:40

Henry Plainview wrote:   rematpac wrote: Well it is real easy to send a youtube message so why don't you ask him why they originally titled it Karn Eval 9?! Greg Lake is not going to answer questions on his youtube page! I'm going to kill myself.

Because I already KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IT WAS CALLED KARN EVAL 9,Why would I want to ask him a question that I already know the answer to?What you can do for your own piece of mind is GOOGLE KARN EVAL 9,and find out for yourself that although it was changed years ago,some other people still call it by it's original name KARN EVAL 9.

Dean wrote: rematpac wrote: Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks rematpac wrote: Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed) Fail! And it was never called Karn Eval 9. I've been wracking my brain trying to recall it ever being called "Karn Eval" and I don't think that it ever was. I don't have a vinyl copy of BSS, but on Welcome Back My Friends vinyl the live version is called Karn Evil plain enough. When you see the words Karn Evil,does that make you think of the word 'carnival"?It doesn't me.But when you see how they originally spelled it "Karn Eval",it makes you wonder why they misspelled the word "evil".I finally figured out the reason after it had been right in my face all these decades.Actually I didn't figure it out by myself,one of your members told me yesterday that what Sinfield had meant was" Carnival 9".We can pretty much guess that the number 9 came from "Revolution 9" from The Beatle's White Album,and as for the words K-A-R-N-E-V-A-L,that came from the word C-A-R-N-I-V-A-L,and that's exactly what the lyrics in the 1st movement talk all about,"Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends...",a carnival in the distant future when people have become so decadent that the show is comprised of some very carnally evil spectacles.Just listen to the lyrics.I had both the record and cassette and the work was spelled "Karn Eval 9" on both and yes I could not figure out why they mispelled evil until I was informed the words came from"carnival".It has since officially been changed to "Karn Evil 9",I realize,but when it was 1st out it was DEFINITELY spelled "Karn Eval 9" and if you think about it ,it was a very logical thing to do.But probably like me,not many people understood the double message(which should have been obvious),so they changed it for good.If you don't believe me,put the question up for ALL your ELP fan's,I am plenty confident that someone else will remember or figure it out themselves.Or better yet,you can ask Greg Lake yourself by sending him a message to his youtube site. You've said all this already and simply repeating it does not make any more valid. Just because it sounds logical in your head doesn't make it truth. It doesn't take much thought to work out the "pun" in Karn Evil - I managed to work that one out in 1973 along with everyone else (except you apparently). It was never released as "Karn Eval" so what it was called before release is anelephant - Echoes was called Looking Through the Knothole in Granny's Wooden Leg but it was released as Echoes so it is called Echoes and it is known as Echoes.

It has been totally officially changed to Karn Evil 9 many years ago,but it was NEVER A FIGMENT OF MY IMAGINATION.You can easily prove this by googling the words Karn Eval 9,and even though google will ask you for the other option since it has officially been changed,you'll still find other sites that call it what it originally came out as,KARN EVAL 9.

rematpac wrote: Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks rematpac wrote: Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed) Fail! And it was never called Karn Eval 9. I've been wracking my brain trying to recall it ever being called "Karn Eval" and I don't think that it ever was. I don't have a vinyl copy of BSS, but on Welcome Back My Friends vinyl the live version is called Karn Evil plain enough. It was changed and that is a historical prog fact that you can easily verify if you want to simply by asking Lake why they first spelled it KARN EVAL 9.It's also obvious:CARNIVAL-KARNEVAL.

 

rematpac wrote: Well it is real easy to send a youtube message so why don't you ask him why they originally titled it Karn Eval 9?!

Greg Lake is not going to answer questions on his youtube page!

I'm going to kill myself. 

Henry Plainview wrote: rematpac wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks rematpac wrote: Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed) Fail! And it was never called Karn Eval 9. No sorry but you fail.I still have the original poster in my garage in an old box that I've saved things all my life in and it contains the original poster from the album when I bought it in 1974 with the lyrics included on it for the work Karn EVAL 9.Greg Lake has a youtube sight himself called the Official Greg Lake Site.You can send him a message and ask him yourself.Even though he's 63,I'm sure he'll remember,just like I do.You can also use reverse logic to figure it out for yourself.I just found out yesterday from one of your members that the name came from the word "Carnival".So how could I possibly come up with the spelling "Karneval" without this prior knowledge?I couldn't.Think about it.CARNIVAL ,CARN-IVAL ,KARN-IVAL ,KARN-EVAL..    They later switched it to KARN-EVIL,which is a fact.Your member and I believe the spelling was changed to be less confusing to the buyer.That is the most logical reason if it was purposefully changed.Another possibilitiy of course is that the record company accidently changed the spelling while Sinfield may have never wanted it changed giving the buyer more credit to be able to figure it out.The fact is though,I never even figured it out myself having even known what the original spelling was until now.The lyrics in the 1st movement talk as if you're being toured through a carnival in the distant future.The thing is carnivals have became very evil in the future,very carnally evil, Karnally Evil,Karn Eval(Carnival).Think of the lyrics and you'll figure it out. I don't have it anymore, but I recall the BSS liner notes stating that the working title was Carnival and Lake changed it to Karn Evil so it was more rock and roll. Your poster that you totally have in your garage does not count as evidence, sorry.

Well it is real easy to send a youtube message so why don't you ask him why they originally titled it Karn Eval 9?!

rematpac wrote: Dean wrote: Snow Dog wrote: Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks rematpac wrote: Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed) Fail! And it was never called Karn Eval 9. I've been wracking my brain trying to recall it ever being called "Karn Eval" and I don't think that it ever was. I don't have a vinyl copy of BSS, but on Welcome Back My Friends vinyl the live version is called Karn Evil plain enough. When you see the words Karn Evil,does that make you think of the word 'carnival"?It doesn't me.But when you see how they originally spelled it "Karn Eval",it makes you wonder why they misspelled the word "evil".I finally figured out the reason after it had been right in my face all these decades.Actually I didn't figure it out by myself,one of your members told me yesterday that what Sinfield had meant was" Carnival 9".We can pretty much guess that the number 9 came from "Revolution 9" from The Beatle's White Album,and as for the words K-A-R-N-E-V-A-L,that came from the word C-A-R-N-I-V-A-L,and that's exactly what the lyrics in the 1st movement talk all about,"Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends...",a carnival in the distant future when people have become so decadent that the show is comprised of some very carnally evil spectacles.Just listen to the lyrics.I had both the record and cassette and the work was spelled "Karn Eval 9" on both and yes I could not figure out why they mispelled evil until I was informed the words came from"carnival".It has since officially been changed to "Karn Evil 9",I realize,but when it was 1st out it was DEFINITELY spelled "Karn Eval 9" and if you think about it ,it was a very logical thing to do.But probably like me,not many people understood the double message(which should have been obvious),so they changed it for good.If you don't believe me,put the question up for ALL your ELP fan's,I am plenty confident that someone else will remember or figure it out themselves.Or better yet,you can ask Greg Lake yourself by sending him a message to his youtube site.

You've said all this already and simply repeating it does not make any more valid. Just because it sounds logical in your head doesn't make it truth. It doesn't take much thought to work out the "pun" in Karn Evil - I managed to work that one out in 1973 along with everyone else (except you apparently). It was never released as "Karn Eval" so what it was called before release is anelephant - Echoes was called Looking Through the Knothole in Granny's Wooden Leg but it was released as Echoes so it is called Echoes and it is known as Echoes.