Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

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Posted By: zoviet
Subject: Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks
Date Posted: March 27 2011 at 13:23

greatest tracks that take up a whole side of an LP but can never take up too much of yr time!

Tortoise - Djed (Millions Now Living Will Never Die)

Pink Floyd - Echoes (Meddle)

Nurse With Wound - Futurismo (Merzbild Schweit)

Popul Vuh - Einsjager & Siebensjager (Einsjager & Siebensjager )

Yes - The Gates Of Delirium (Relayer)

Fripp & Eno - Glass: An Index of Metals (Evening Star)

Van Der Graf Generator - A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers (Pawn Hearts)

Miles Davis - He Loved Him Madly (Get Up With It)

Miles Davis - Shhh/It's Peaceful (In A Silent Way)

Herbie Hancock - Hornets ( Sextant)

Ash Ra Tempel - Amboss (s/t)

Tangerine Dream - Atem (Atem)

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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: March 27 2011 at 13:29

Tales from Topographic Oceans has four of them.

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Posted By: zoviet
Date Posted: March 27 2011 at 13:34

as does Tangerine's Zeit album too? hehehe i also forgot this one as well:

Can - Bel Air (Future Days)

Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: March 27 2011 at 13:36

Magma - De Futura, Rïah Sahïltaahk
Amon Düül II - Phallus Dei
Ash Ra Tempel - either track from their s/t
Can - Halleluhwah, Aumgn, Yoo Doo Right
Hatfield and the North - Mumps
Herbie Hancock - Sleeping Giant
Holger Czukay - either track from Canaxis
Klaus Schulze - anything from Cyborg, Timewind, or Picture Music (so far)
Present - Promenade au Fond d'Un Canal
Rush - Cygnus X-1 Book 2
Serge Bringolf - anything from Strave
Soft Machine - Moon in June
Sun Ra - The Magic City (not prog, but still fits the requirement)
Tangerine Dream - Birth of Liquid Plejades

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Posted By: Ijon Tichy
Date Posted: March 27 2011 at 13:54

ELP - Tarkus (Tarkus)
Kate Bush - The Ninth Wave (Hounds of Love) !!

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Posted By: Mista-Gordie
Date Posted: March 27 2011 at 14:26

Mike Oldfield:

-Ommadawn (both parts but part 1 especially)

-Tubular Bells part 2

-Hergest Ridge (both parts but especially part 2)

-Taurus II

-Incantations part 4

-Incantations part 1

King Crimson:

-Lizard

Pink Floyd:

-Echoes

-Atom Heart Mother

Genesis:

-Supper's Ready

Yes:

-Close to the edge

-Gates of delirium

-Revealing Science of god

Harmonium:

-Histoires sans paroles

Renaissance:

-Song of Scheherazade

Jethro Tull:

-Thick As a Brick, part 1

-A Passion Play, part 1

Dream Theater:

-A Change of Seasons

Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 27 2011 at 16:41

ELP-Tarkus

Triumvirat -Mediterranean Tales(across the waters)
-Illusions On A Double Dimple
-Mister Ten Percent

Dzyan-Time Machine

Colosseum-Valentyne Suite

Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 28 2011 at 18:03

Hi,

Now you are asking for it! (almost in the order I got them and listened to them)

- Yes - Close To The Edge

- Pink Floyd - Atom Heart Mother

- Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick

- Iron Butterfly - In a Gadda Da Vida

- Chicago - Beginnings (not sure that was the title of it)

- Klaus Schulze ... not even gonna try to list it!

- Cosmic Couriers - Cosmic Joy/Cosmic Joke

- Ash Ra Tempel - 1st

- Ash Ra Tempel - Join Inn

- Ash Ra Tempel - New Age of Earth - Side 2

- Can - Tago Mago (Augmn and the other long piece)

- Tangerine Dream - Too many to list

- Yes - Tales of Topographic Oceans (4 sides of it too!)

- Pink Floyd - Echoes

- Mike Oldfield - too many to list

- Grobbschnitt - Solar Music Suite

- Magma - Too many to list

- Amon Duul 2 - Yeti

- Amon Duul 2 - Dance of the Lemmings (Side 3 had the MM Memorial Sdtk improv)

- Amon Duul 2 - Phallus Dei

- Can - Future Days - Bel Air

- Soft Machine - Didn't T"Third" have 4 full sides? and some of the other albums also?

- Popol Vuh - Several albums, specially the early ones

- Fripp and Eno - No Pussyfooting

- Golden Earring - Eight Miles High (1st album)

- Focus - Moving Waves - Eruption

- Focus 3 - Several cuts (double LP at the time)

- Genesis - Supper's Ready

- Ange - Caricatures

- Ange - Ego et Deus

- Nektar - Journey to the Center of the Eye

- Nektar - Remember the Future

- Nektar A Tab in the Ocean

- Alan Stivell - Symphonie Celtique (4 sides too!)

- Aphrodite's Child - 666 - Last Side of the 2nd lp

- Le Orme - Felona e Serona

- Capability Brown - Voice - Circumstances Past Present and Future

- Byzantium - 2nd album - Side 2

- Roy Harper - Not sure if it is Stormcock or which album that has a whole side. White covered album I think.

- Darryl Way/Francis Monkman - Symphony for Violin

- Keith Jarrett - The Koln Concert (2 LP's - 4 full sides too!)(And I'm told this is now on DVD!!!!! -- guess what I gotta get!)

If you take Yes, Genesis, Iron Butterfly, Jethro Tull and Golden Earring off this list, you have an average line up for Space Pirate Radio ... so you can see how extensive and non compromising it was when it came to the commercial extent of the work. This is something that is not appreciated today and worked with in all the progressive music shows out there. Unlike most shows, this one played long cuts and went crazy with them all and then some. The others would normally get played on the more "regular" shows that Guy did on Friday and Saturday nights, for example.

Mind you I had these and still have some of these LP's. Will update as I remember more things in here.

(Added later)

Todd Rundgren - Wizard Side of the album (can't play that in pieces ... the segways stink if you try to break it up!)

Todd Rundgren - The Icon

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 06:47

Karn Evil 9(used to spell it Eval,does anyone know why they changed the spelling of that word?),Close To The Edge,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Tarkus,Five Bridges,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed,Ashes are Burning(live),Topographic Oceans( and many more)

Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 14:11

rematpac wrote:

Pete Sinfield came up with the title Karn Evil 9 which was actually derived from the word carnival.

Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 14:44

My list roughly in chronological order and just sticking to what I consider to be 'the vinyl years' (up to 1985):

The Nice - Ars Longa Vita Brevis

Colosseum - Valentyne Suite

The Nice - The Five Bridges Suite

Aphrodites Child - All The Seats Were Occupied

Pink Floyd - Echoes

Vangelis - The Dragon

ELP - Tarkus

VDGG - A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers

Genesis - Suppers Ready

Yes - Close To The Edge

Jethro Tull - Thick As A Brick (Pts 1&2)

Yes - Ritual

Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells Pt1

ELP - Karn Evil 9

Yes - The Gates Of Delirium

Tangerine Dream - Ricochet Pt2

Mike Oldfield - Ommadawn (Pts 1&2)

Rush - 2112

Mike Oldfield - Incantations Pt1

Tangerine Dream - Force Majeure

Mike Oldfield - Platinum

Tangerine Dream - Tangram Pt1

Mike Oldfield - Crises

IQ - The Last Human Gateway

Jon and Vangelis - Horizon

Tangerine Dream - Horizon

Edgar Froese - Pinnacles

Kate Bush - The Ninth Wave

Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 15:11

Ricochet part 2

Ricochet Part1

Supper's Ready isn't long enough

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 15:44

So many great ones that I have already listed... Vinyl 1-side epics rule!!!

Couple others I like....

Rush - Fountain of Lamneth

Yes - TfTO- Side 1, Side 2, Side 3 and Side 4.

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 20:06

richardh wrote:

rematpac wrote:

Pete Sinfield came up with the title Karn Evil 9 which was actually derived from the word carnival.

Thanks for your reply,that's info I did not know,but my real question was-why did they spell it Karn EVAL 9 with an A in the word eviL when it 1st came out and then over time change it to the traditional way to spell EVIL with an I in it..My info on this is 100% accurate,I'll never forget my favorite album when I bought it ,also buying the cassette of it also.

Posted By: cloviskoba
Date Posted: March 29 2011 at 20:33

Kraftwerk - Autobahn

Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 01:36

rematpac wrote:

richardh wrote:

rematpac wrote:

Pete Sinfield came up with the title Karn Evil 9 which was actually derived from the word carnival.

I think my original reply probably contains the answer. They wanted to emphasis the connection to the word Carnival but then probably decided (or the record company perhaps decided) that it was a bit confusing.I am guessing a bit though. I've been on ELP message boards for some years and don't remember this ever being discussed tbh.

Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 01:39

akamaisondufromage wrote:

Ricochet part 2

Ricochet Part1

Supper's Ready isn't long enough

I assumed that Suppers Ready took up a whole side at 22 minutes?

One on my list that shouldn't be there is Aphrodites Child 'All The Seats Were Occupied' because there was another song called 'Break' on the same side. But someone earlier posted it on their list so I just went along with it!

Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 03:57

richardh wrote:

rematpac wrote:

richardh wrote:

rematpac wrote:

Pete Sinfield came up with the title Karn Evil 9 which was actually derived from the word carnival.

That has to be the answer I would think.Even though you don't know absolutely,it makes so much sense that I think the probability is so high as to be very satisfied with your answer.Thank You.

Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 04:26

^By George I think he's got it!

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 04:33

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:31

Snow Dog wrote:

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

I've been wracking my brain trying to recall it ever being called "Karn Eval" and I don't think that it ever was. I don't have a vinyl copy of BSS, but on Welcome Back My Friends vinyl the live version is called Karn Evil plain enough.

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:39

Snow Dog wrote:

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

No sorry but you fail.I still have the original poster in my garage in an old box that I've saved things all my life in and it contains the original poster from the album when I bought it in 1974 with the lyrics included on it for the work Karn EVAL 9.Greg Lake has a youtube sight himself called the Official Greg Lake Site.You can send him a message and ask him yourself.Even though he's 63,I'm sure he'll remember,just like I do.You can also use reverse logic to figure it out for yourself.I just found out yesterday from one of your members that the name came from the word "Carnival".So how could I possibly come up with the spelling "Karneval" without this prior knowledge?I couldn't.Think about it.CARNIVAL ,CARN-IVAL ,KARN-IVAL ,KARN-EVAL.. They later switched it to KARN-EVIL,which is a fact.Your member and I believe the spelling was changed to be less confusing to the buyer.That is the most logical reason if it was purposefully changed.Another possibilitiy of course is that the record company accidently changed the spelling while Sinfield may have never wanted it changed giving the buyer more credit to be able to figure it out.The fact is though,I never even figured it out myself having even known what the original spelling was until now.The lyrics in the 1st movement talk as if you're being toured through a carnival in the distant future.The thing is carnivals have became very evil in the future,very carnally evil, Karnally Evil,Karn Eval(Carnival).Think of the lyrics and you'll figure it out.

Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:42

^Karn Evil it always was. I maintain that until absolutely proven otherwise.

And the fail comment was about your "side long" album track selections.

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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:45

rematpac wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

I don't have it anymore, but I recall the BSS liner notes stating that the working title was Carnival and Lake changed it to Karn Evil so it was more rock and roll. Your poster that you totally have in your garage does not count as evidence, sorry.

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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:46

There not many I know left to add. all I can think of is Focus - Hamburger concerto that was not listed here yet.

However, Supper's ready do not contain a whole vinyl side (Horisons was also on that side) and I think it's the same with "All the seats were occupied but if we remind these 2 we should also add Murglys III of VDGG.

It's great to see that Popol vuh's E&S and ELP's concerto were mentioned. These tracks do not get the respect they deserve IMO most of the time.

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:47

Snow Dog wrote:

^By George I think he's got it!

I guess I haven't got it yet Snow Dog.I sent you a message about the original spelling of Karn Eval 9 and it looks like you didn't get it.I'm just too computer stupid.

Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:54

rematpac wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

^By George I think he's got it!

I guess I haven't got it yet Snow Dog.I sent you a message about the original spelling of Karn Eval 9 and it looks like you didn't get it.I'm just too computer stupid.

I read it and replied to it. But you didn't "send me a message". You posted it in a a forum. This forum. this thread. We can all read it.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:55

give it up Ian, it's like herding cats.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 05:55

omri wrote:

There not many I know left to add. all I can think of is Focus - Hamburger concerto that was not listed here yet.

It's great to see that Popol vuh's E&S and ELP's concerto were mentioned. These tracks do not get the respect they deserve IMO most of the time.

I doubt the qualification of Emerson's concerto as a "side-long album track"...but I'll let it go.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 06:20

Some of these suggestion are mighty tenouous as "side-long tracks" IMO - a side long track should be exactly what it says - a continous single piece of music occupying one side of an vinyl album.

Many suggested here are just segued shorter tracks. Based on some of these Dark Side Of The Moon, Wish You Were Here, Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds and From Genesis To Revelation would also qualify as there are no gaps between the tracks on those either.

However, my suggestion - Blint's Tune from Godley & Creme's Consequences.

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 06:47

Dean wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

When you see the words Karn Evil,does that make you think of the word 'carnival"?It doesn't me.But when you see how they originally spelled it "Karn Eval",it makes you wonder why they misspelled the word "evil".I finally figured out the reason after it had been right in my face all these decades.Actually I didn't figure it out by myself,one of your members told me yesterday that what Sinfield had meant was" Carnival 9".We can pretty much guess that the number 9 came from "Revolution 9" from The Beatle's White Album,and as for the words K-A-R-N-E-V-A-L,that came from the word C-A-R-N-I-V-A-L,and that's exactly what the lyrics in the 1st movement talk all about,"Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends...",a carnival in the distant future when people have become so decadent that the show is comprised of some very carnally evil spectacles.Just listen to the lyrics.I had both the record and cassette and the work was spelled "Karn Eval 9" on both and yes I could not figure out why they mispelled evil until I was informed the words came from"carnival".It has since officially been changed to "Karn Evil 9",I realize,but when it was 1st out it was DEFINITELY spelled "Karn Eval 9" and if you think about it ,it was a very logical thing to do.But probably like me,not many people understood the double message(which should have been obvious),so they changed it for good.If you don't believe me,put the question up for ALL your ELP fan's,I am plenty confident that someone else will remember or figure it out themselves.Or better yet,you can ask Greg Lake yourself by sending him a message to his youtube site.

Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 06:54

Snow Dog wrote:

^Karn Evil it always was. I maintain that until absolutely proven otherwise.

And the fail comment was about your "side long" album track selections.

If truth is not your thing than that's your business,but I think it unfair to call my 10 selections a 'fail',because there was 10 more that I wanted to put up as well but couldn't or didn't.But out of the 10 I did put up,which ones would you call musical failures??

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 06:58

rematpac wrote:

Dean wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

You've said all this already and simply repeating it does not make any more valid. Just because it sounds logical in your head doesn't make it truth. It doesn't take much thought to work out the "pun" in Karn Evil - I managed to work that one out in 1973 along with everyone else (except you apparently). It was never released as "Karn Eval" so what it was called before release is anelephant - Echoes was called Looking Through the Knothole in Granny's Wooden Leg but it was released as Echoes so it is called Echoes and it is known as Echoes.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 06:58

rematpac wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

^Karn Evil it always was. I maintain that until absolutely proven otherwise.

And the fail comment was about your "side long" album track selections.

Not musical failures. Failures as in "side-long tracks". Lets take Karn Evil 9 ( which incidently has always been spelled that way) it is not...I repeat..not...a side-long album track.

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 06:59

Henry Plainview wrote:

rematpac wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

Well it is real easy to send a youtube message so why don't you ask him why they originally titled it Karn Eval 9?!

Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:09

Dean wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

It was changed and that is a historical prog fact that you can easily verify if you want to simply by asking Lake why they first spelled it KARN EVAL 9.It's also obvious:CARNIVAL-KARNEVAL.

Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:10

rematpac wrote:

Well it is real easy to send a youtube message so why don't you ask him why they originally titled it Karn Eval 9?!

Greg Lake is not going to answer questions on his youtube page!

I'm going to kill myself.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:15

Henry Plainview wrote:

rematpac wrote:

Well it is real easy to send a youtube message so why don't you ask him why they originally titled it Karn Eval 9?!

Greg Lake is not going to answer questions on his youtube page!

I'm going to kill myself.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:17

rematpac wrote:

Dean wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

It was changed and that is a historical prog fact that you can easily verify if you want to simply by asking Lake why they first spelled it KARN EVAL 9.It's also obvious:CARNIVAL-KARNEVAL.

Carnival = Karn Evil is also obvious. Karn Eval however makes no sense.

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Posted By: Paravion
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:20

richardh wrote:

akamaisondufromage wrote:

Ricochet part 2

Ricochet Part1

Supper's Ready isn't long enough

I assumed that Suppers Ready took up a whole side at 22 minutes?

Actually, 'horizons' opens side 2. So Supper's Ready doesn't belong in the prestigious category of "side-long epics" even though it's longer than most of them..

Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:27

Dean wrote:

rematpac wrote:

Dean wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

It has been totally officially changed to Karn Evil 9 many years ago,but it was NEVER A FIGMENT OF MY IMAGINATION.You can easily prove this by googling the words Karn Eval 9,and even though google will ask you for the other option since it has officially been changed,you'll still find other sites that call it what it originally came out as,KARN EVAL 9.

Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:33

rematpac wrote:

Dean wrote:

rematpac wrote:

Dean wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

You will find what you expect to find on the internet. Mispellings

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:34

Henry Plainview wrote:

rematpac wrote:

Well it is real easy to send a youtube message so why don't you ask him why they originally titled it Karn Eval 9?!

Greg Lake is not going to answer questions on his youtube page!

I'm going to kill myself.

Because I already KNOW FOR A FACT THAT IT WAS CALLED KARN EVAL 9,Why would I want to ask him a question that I already know the answer to?What you can do for your own piece of mind is GOOGLE KARN EVAL 9,and find out for yourself that although it was changed years ago,some other people still call it by it's original name KARN EVAL 9.

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:37

rematpac wrote:

It has been totally officially changed to Karn Evil 9 many years ago,but it was NEVER A FIGMENT OF MY IMAGINATION.You can easily prove this by googling the words Karn Eval 9,and even though google will ask you for the other option since it has officially been changed,you'll still find other sites that call it what it originally came out as,KARN EVAL 9.

Searching for "Karn Eval 9" using google or any other search engine does not yield irrefutable proof in the form of photographic evidence from album covers or official track listings on databases - what you get is a whole list of numpties who spelt it wrong in reviews and in posts on internet forums like this one. Go to your garage, open the box, pull out the poster, take a photograph of it and post it here, but if it is not an official Manticore published poster then don't bother.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:39

Dean wrote:

Even official stuff can have typos. Wink

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:42

Snow Dog wrote:

rematpac wrote:

Dean wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Best (vinyl) side-long album tracks

rematpac wrote:

Karn Evil 9,Journey to the Center of the Earth,Emerson Piano Concerto No.1,Malmsteen Concerto in e-flat minor,Days of Future Passed)

Fail!

And it was never called Karn Eval 9.

It was changed and that is a historical prog fact that you can easily verify if you want to simply by asking Lake why they first spelled it KARN EVAL 9.It's also obvious:CARNIVAL-KARNEVAL.

Carnival = Karn Evil is also obvious. Karn Eval however makes no sense.

Of course it makes sense.They only had to change 2 rather than 3 letters.I'll admit years ago it didn't make sense to me either,that's why they changed it.Alright,I'm pissed.I am going to email Greg Lake right now!

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:54

rematpac wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Carnival = Karn Evil is also obvious. Karn Eval however makes no sense.

Actually it never made sense - "Karn Evil" doesn't make much more sense than "Karn Eval" in fact since neither "Karn" nor "Eval" are real words.

"Karn" could just about pass as a valid word, at least as a proper name (though the more usual spelling is Khan), but "Eval" isn't word at all - it has since become a colloquial abbreviation for "Evaluation", but in 1973 it wasn't.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 07:55

...has he replied yet?

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:10

Snow Dog wrote:

Dean wrote:

Even official stuff can have typos. Wink

I don't have a camera,but that doesn't matter because I just sent a message to Greg Lake and explained the situation.He hasn't been active on his sight for a while but eventually he will get the message and when he does you all better hope he's just too busy to answer because if he's not there's going to be a big"I TOLD YOU SO" for all of you dis-believers.

Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:18

rematpac wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Dean wrote:

Even official stuff can have typos. Wink

I am waiting with bated breath.

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:19

Dean wrote:

...has he replied yet?

Of course not,I just sent him a message and he hasn't been active for a while on his site.But eventually,he will see my message explaining the situation.There's a lot of abstract(atonal)music in Karn Evil 9 formerly Karn Eval 9.It should be no surprise that they would use abstract words to name their epic work about a carnival in the far future.Karneval 9 was the perfect name for a future carnival as they describe it in the lyrics of the work.

Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:21

rematpac wrote:

There's a lot of abstract(atonal)music in Karn Evil 9 formerly Karn Eval 9.

Those two words do not mean the same thing and neither of them apply to Karn Evil 9.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:21

rematpac wrote:

Dean wrote:

...has he replied yet?

Why not Karn Ival 9 then?

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:30

rematpac wrote:

I don't have a camera,but that doesn't matter because I just sent a message to Greg Lake and explained the situation.He hasn't been active on his sight for a while but eventually he will get the message and when he does you all better hope he's just too busy to answer because if he's not there's going to be a big"I TOLD YOU SO" for all of you dis-believers.

How old are you? Five? (with apologies to all 5 year-olds reading this). I sincerely want you to be proved right - nothing would please me more. I don't want rumour, guesses or vague rusty memories I want proven irrefutable facts - nothing else matters. Seriously. If it was originally called Karn Eval on early releases then that's bloody marvellous - a fantastic piece of archive history forgotten for 38 years - brilliant. But if it's not, or can't be proven then it's nothing.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:31

This extract from "Emerson Lake and Palmer: The show That Never Ends (A Musical Biography)" by George Forrester, Martyn Hansen and Frank Askew

"..the epic "Karn Evil 9" (sic), one of ELP's finest extended pieces to date.

The title was Pete Sinfield's, punning on his initial feeling that Emerson's piece was like carnival music. The number 9 was simply seen as having a "universal" character."

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:32

Henry Plainview wrote:

rematpac wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Dean wrote:

Even official stuff can have typos. Wink

I am waiting with bated breath.

Anotherthing,when I 1st saw the name of the work KARN EVAL 9,it wasn't on Brain Salad Surgery,but on the 1st ELP albums I bought which was a double cassette version of Welcome Back My Friends which I unbelieveably bought at the local large food market right behind one of the cashiers where they used to keep the individual packs of cigarrettes in the 60's in a small oblong wooden box with a sliding plastic door in 1974.That's how good my memory is and that's why I know it wasn't just a typo because it was all over the place on both the studio and live albums and cassettes.

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:32

Snow Dog wrote:

rematpac wrote:

Dean wrote:

...has he replied yet?

Why not Karn Ival 9 then?

Karl Iván 9...

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:33

Dean wrote:

I will get my original LP down later to make sure. But I certainly have no memory of his spelling. Of course my LP maybe a later printing anyway, but I'll check anyway.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:34

rematpac wrote:

Anotherthing,when I 1st saw the name of the work KARN EVAL 9,it wasn't on Brain Salad Surgery,but on the 1st ELP albums I bought which was a double cassette version of Welcome Back My Friends which I unbelieveably bought at the local large food market right behind one of the cashiers where they used to keep the individual packs of cigarrettes in the 60's in a small oblong wooden box with a sliding plastic door in 1974.That's how good my memory is and that's why I know it wasn't just a typo because it was all over the place on both the studio and live albums and cassettes.

OMG! Are you being serious?

You really are a troll aren't you.

Well done, you had us going there for a minute

Now, go away.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:37

Dean wrote:

OMG! Are you being serious?

You really are a troll aren't you.

Well done, you had us going there for a minute

Now, go away.

I had my doubts all along Dean. Now proven without a doubt. I think we've finished here.

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 08:49

Dean wrote:

A person does not forget the name of his favorite song,especially when he's been a musician all his life,and why don't you start apologizing to the 3 year olds instead because that's how old I was when I started PERFORMING in front of audiences.

Posted By: omri
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 09:05

Well Dean and Snow dog I must say you became a bit too rude here.

I never had the vinyls of neither Brain salad surgery nor welcome back my friends so I can't tell who is right. My brain (hopefully not been salad surgered yet) tells me you 2 are probably right but even if the guy is wrong he does not deserve your attitude. However, this debate taught me what that name stands for and that's nice.

To a different matter. Snow dog, what's wrong with Emerson's concerto as a full record side track ?

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 09:08

omri wrote:

Well Dean and Snow dog I must say you became a bit too rude here.

To a different matter. Snow dog, what's wrong with Emerson's concerto as a full record side track ?

On the first matter, he does deserve it for being a troll. I don't think i have been very rude anyway. I have been very patient that is for sure and Dean remarkably so.

On the second. Well it is 3 pieces of music. Three movements so not strictly a "side long album track"

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 09:31

omri wrote:

Well Dean and Snow dog I must say you became a bit too rude here.

Sorry? What does "this debate taught me what that name stands for and that's nice" mean?

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Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 09:42

Henry Plainview wrote:

rematpac wrote:

There's a lot of abstract(atonal)music in Karn Evil 9 formerly Karn Eval 9.

Those two words do not mean the same thing and neither of them apply to Karn Evil 9.

The word I meant was dissonance,and that's heard throughout Karn Eval 9.It's real simple,you pronounce carnival-CAR -NE-VAL,or even CAR-NE for short,never CAR-NE-VILL!No one ever pronounces it like that!It's pronounced CAR-NE-VAL.which is also the same as KARN-E-VAL,not KARN-E-VILL,no one ever pronounces it like that ,so it's very logical why they would name it KARNEVAL,because you might miss the pun on CARNIVAL otherwise which is what most people did per my research on the net for the last 45 minutes.If you can't understand this explanation then you're just being obstinate.

Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 09:48

Dean wrote:

OMG! Are you being serious?

You really are a troll aren't you.

Well done, you had us going there for a minute

Now, go away.

Is this really how you people are?I've been researching this for the last 45 minutes and now it appears I've been wasting my time on a bunch of creeps.GOOD-BYE!

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 09:52

bye

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 09:59

My first name is spelled JOSE.....but often it is spelled HOSE, my birth certificate says JOSE and so does my marriage certificate....I'm so confused!!!

Snowdog...please advise who I should send a youtube message to for clarification on the spelling of my name?

Dean...what's a numptie?

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 10:09

Catcher10 wrote:

Dean...what's a numptie?

I used the plural "numpties" - the singular is" numpty": http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/apr/04/britishidentity.features11" rel="nofollow - http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/apr/04/britishidentity.features11

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 10:16

Dean wrote:

Catcher10 wrote:

Dean...what's a numptie?

10-4......I did think it had some connection to numbnuts, which is a personal favorite of mine....I hope to be able to use numpties in the near future.

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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 12:12

Paravion wrote:

richardh wrote:

akamaisondufromage wrote:

Ricochet part 2

Ricochet Part1

Supper's Ready isn't long enough

I assumed that Suppers Ready took up a whole side at 22 minutes?

Actually, 'horizons' opens side 2. So Supper's Ready doesn't belong in the prestigious category of "side-long epics" even though it's longer than most of them..

Even though the 'original' on Foxtrot was not a side long track. I think it should be included here. Even if you don't accept the Foxtrot version the Second's Out is.

I put the 'original' just because you will know that the original original was called 'Tea's Up' but Tony demanded that they change the title as he thought it 'too common'.

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Posted By: Paravion
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 12:27

akamaisondufromage wrote:

I think it should be included here

I'm completely indifferent towards this issue. "(vinyl) side-long album tracks" is a bizarre selection criterion for good songs to list. My favourite is "Living in the Heart of the Beast" (Henry Cow, 1975)

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 13:00

from liner notes of BSS:

Not surprisingly, the three-part musical centerpiece of Brain Salad Surgery was also the subject of the album's initial recording sessions ("1st Impression" at Olympic Studios, London, in June; "2nd Impression" and "3rd Impression" at Advision in August). But, notes Keith Emerson, the thematic concerns of "Karn Evil 9" had undergone nearly as much evolution as its music: "The actual title was probably Pete Sinfield's. I had this idea about a planet that I wanted to call 'Ganton 9.' And Pete said you can't call it that, 'cause there's a Ganton Street in Soho, just down the road! Pete listened to the music I'd written and said it sounds like a carnival - it's all happy! So we went carnival, hmm, Karn Evil. Bang! That's it - end of story!"

http://www.ladiesofthelake.com/cabinet/bssliner.html" rel="nofollow - link

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Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 14:26

I just couldn't resist the temptation to pull out my BSS and check, even if I was very sure of what the printing would be.

The poster with the title and song listing says: KARN EVIL 9 . I have the first UK pressing. So I guess this settles it.

All this has been very entertaining though. LOL

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 14:30

silverpot wrote:

I just couldn't resist the temptation to pull out my BSS and check, even if I was very sure of what the printing would be.

The poster with the title and song listing says: KARN EVIL 9 . I have the first UK pressing. So I guess this settles it.

All this has been very entertaining though. LOL

I did the same thing with WBMFTTSTNE

Mine's also first UK pressing - purchased in 1974.

Now I'm perfectly prepared to accept that a USA Cassette edition may have a misprint, but I would need photographic proof.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 15:12

Snow Dog wrote:

...

I had my doubts all along Dean. Now proven without a doubt. I think we've finished here.

Some outstanding detective work.

I think we're ready for the booze now gents! And the listening party right after!

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 15:20

Various ones I love have been mentioned, but I didn't notice these:

Geinoh Yamashirogumi - Osorezan
Toshiyuki Miyama and His New Herd/ Masahiko Satoh: Ichi
Bjorn J:son Lindh: Fran Storstad Til Grodspad

Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 15:42

I took your advice, and wrote Greg. Here's what he replied:

"Dear Alex,

Thank you for writing me. Honestly, I have no idea about the EVAL issue, it's always been KARN EVIL 9 as far as I am concerned. If you don't believe me, you can talk to Keith on Skype, just don't, ever, call before 11 AM!

I hope this solves your problem,

Yours,

Greg Lake"

Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 15:47

harmonium.ro wrote:

I took your advice, and wrote Greg. Here's what he replied:

"Dear Alex,

Thank you for writing me. Honestly, I have no idea about the EVAL issue, it's always been KARN EVIL 9 as far as I am concerned. If you don't believe me, you can talk to Keith on Skype, just don't, ever, call before 11 AM!

I hope this solves your problem,

Yours,

Greg Lake"

Oh internets.

Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 16:31

Snow Dog wrote:

Dean wrote:

OMG! Are you being serious?

You really are a troll aren't you.

Well done, you had us going there for a minute

Now, go away.

I had my doubts all along Dean. Now proven without a doubt. I think we've finished here.You actually didn't believe a word I said?Of course were finished.You guys are the most incredible bunch of losers I've met on the net yet.Something,even non-musical that you should be able to handle and you stoop to calling me a liar and a troll because of your own unwillingness to admit your own incompetence?Unbelieveable!!!

Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 16:55

rematpac wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Dean wrote:

OMG! Are you being serious?

You really are a troll aren't you.

Well done, you had us going there for a minute

Now, go away.

I had my doubts all along Dean. Now proven without a doubt. I think we've finished here.

You actually didn't believe a word I said?Of course were finished.You guys are the most incredible bunch of losers I've met on the net yet.Something,even non-musical that you should be able to handle and you stoop to calling me a liar and a troll because of your own unwillingness to admit your own incompetence?Unbelieveable!!!

Is this what you meant to post?

Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 22:02

I really do need to ms paint the "Official PA seal of Derp"

This thread deserves a stamp ASAP!

Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: March 30 2011 at 22:07

JJLehto wrote:

I really do need to ms paint the "Official PA seal of Derp"

This thread deserves a stamp ASAP!

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 31 2011 at 15:27

rematpac wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Dean wrote:

OMG! Are you being serious?

You really are a troll aren't you.

Well done, you had us going there for a minute

Now, go away.

Actually as far as I can tell we're just saying you're wrong because Greg Lake says so.

Posted By: rematpac
Date Posted: April 01 2011 at 11:21

Dean wrote:

Well done on reaching the magic 100 posts, albeit by random double posting.

rematpac wrote:

moshkito wrote:

Dean wrote:

...

HOWEVER your original assertion was the it was originally called Karn Eval and they changed it later. Thus far all the evidence suggests it has always been called Karn Evil.

I am not sure that any part of the Karn Eval idea makes any sense at all ... specially when the art work used in the cover suggeests something else, and was by someone whose work ... is scary for many folks, and sometimes might even be considered "evil", and eventually a lot of his art work became a massive part of the first "Alien" film.

The number 9 designation, I am not sure is necessary or that important ... and for all we know, and failed to check, the piece had 9 parts and that was that! ... something silly like that ... but it could also be just another Beatle thing ... why Revolution #9 when ... wait a minute ... where's Revolution #2?

I don't like to question the titles of things and for that reason, I do NOT name any of my poems ... and over 200 of them, use the first line for index'ing purposes, with one issue ... I have the same first line (intentional evil here Bugs Bunny style too so we can confuse all these Ducks!) on several poems ... that go in different directions.

I can not tell you why they have the same first line any more than I can why the line is the first line of the poem in there ... it's just the way it came out ... and that's that!

I think "Karn Evil 9" is more appropriate, specially when the title of the album suggests a big messy brain ...and in the end the whole thing could be about all three of them being so screwed up in their own circus that they could use a brain surgery ... or a 9th one! As it was well known that they had arguments, but they managed to smooth things out enough and move along ... but ... It doesn't matter ... it really doesn't ... but the friction in them and between them created some excellent music ... and if that is necessary for karn evil 9 to come along ... that is just fine with me!

I thought I had this post thing figured out ,but I guess not so I'll try it again : The most logical explanation at this point is that I was the victim of a typo of the word EVAL on a very early BSS press.Since it has always been my favorite rock music work my memory is undisputable on the question.BBS and other ELP releases have an extensive history of an unusually number of typos unfortunately.It took 37 years to discover the truth with the help of this website.I never liked the spelling of EVAL(thinking possibly using it fron the word MEDIEVAL)and was glad when I saw it changed,not realizing that it never was suppose to be spelled EVAL all along.As far as the no.9 being used,I just gave it my best guess with former rock history in mind.

The #9 was explained by Keith Emerson on the liner-notes to the BSS remaster - nothing to do with the Beatles, he wanted to call the track 'Ganton 9' after an imaginary planet (ie the 9th planet orbiting a star called Ganton, just as Earth can be called 'Sol 3' in astronomical parlance).

Now, since you are a Senior Member I will officially ask you to stop disrupting threads with off-topic posts.

Yes,I realize my guess about The Beatles Revolution 9(Charles Manson making it so infamous)was incorrect and I appreciate the correct info,But there's already a 9th planet,Pluto.It has been recognized for decades.In fact it's even a double-planet.And yes I know a group of astronomers declassified it recently,but that was ridiculous.Why don't we also declassify Beethoven's 9th sympnony?Eight is enough.Why don't we call the 9th a "singspiel" since it's the only one that includes vocals?Back in 1973,we all know no one had discovered any planets around any other stars yet,.so what is this star called Ganton?It must be from some famous science-fiction novel I've never heard of.Thanks for congradulating me on my auspicious promotion even though it was achieved haphazardly.

Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 01 2011 at 11:57

rematpac wrote:

Yes,I realize my guess about The Beatles Revolution 9(Charles Manson making it so infamous)was incorrect and I appreciate the correct info,But there's already a 9th planet,Pluto.It has been recognized for decades.In fact it's even a double-planet.And yes I know a group of astronomers declassified it recently,but that was ridiculous.Why don't we also declassify Beethoven's 9th sympnony?Eight is enough.Why don't we call the 9th a "singspiel" since it's the only one that includes vocals?Back in 1973,we all know no one had discovered any planets around any other stars yet,.so what is this star called Ganton?It must be from some famous science-fiction novel I've never heard of.Thanks for congradulating me on my auspicious promotion even though it was achieved haphazardly.

In one last ditched effort to bring this shambling mess to a conclusiion - at least by dragging it back into the thread that birthed it.

"Ganton 9" would not be the 9th planet of our sun in our solar system the "Ganton" would be the name of the star and "9" would refer to the ninth panet of that star - "Earth" is not called "Earth 3", it is "Sol 3" (e.g. http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Sol+3" rel="nofollow - http://encyclopedia.farlex.com/Sol+3 ). There is no star called Ganton - it was a ficticious invention of Emerson, subconsciously prompted by the name of a London street near the Advison recording studio in Gosfield Street ( http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&sugexp=llsfp&xhr=t&q=ganton+street&cp=10&pq=gatton+star&wrapid=tljp130167647536538&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl" rel="nofollow - map ).

Beethoven's 9th is thus called because it was his 9th symphony. There are not 8 other versions of Karn Evil, just has Holywood didn't make The Madness of King George I or The Madness of King George II.

Now, enough of this rambling trivia.

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 01 2011 at 12:03

Or......

Snow Dog wrote:

This extract from "Emerson Lake and Palmer: The show That Never Ends (A Musical Biography)" by George Forrester, Martyn Hansen and Frank Askew

"..the epic "Karn Evil 9" (sic), one of ELP's finest extended pieces to date.

The title was Pete Sinfield's, punning on his initial feeling that Emerson's piece was like carnival music. The number 9 was simply seen as having a "universal" character."

The book has no mention of this Ganton 9 thing. Trouble is..everyone has his nown memory of events.

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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: April 01 2011 at 12:05

Why was it ridiculous that Pluto was officially classified as a dwarf planet? It is one, definitely nowhere near the size of a full planet, smaller than other dwarf planets, and in fact it's a member of the Kuiper belt, mostly rock and ice, half the size of our moon and a third of its volume. It's not even the biggest dwarf planet in our solar system (that's Eris). From what my astro professor said last semester, one of the main reasons it was considered to be a "planet" this long was to honor the discoverer.

Sorry Dean, now the rambling trivia can end. Embarrassed

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 01 2011 at 15:51

SaltyJon wrote:

Why was it ridiculous that Pluto was officially classified as a dwarf planet? It is one, definitely nowhere near the size of a full planet, smaller than other dwarf planets, and in fact it's a member of the Kuiper belt, mostly rock and ice, half the size of our moon and a third of its volume. It's not even the biggest dwarf planet in our solar system (that's Eris). From what my astro professor said last semester, one of the main reasons it was considered to be a "planet" this long was to honor the discoverer.

Sorry Dean, now the rambling trivia can end. Embarrassed

Salty ... you taking classes from Bryan May or something? .... goodness ... I need a slide ruler!

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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: April 01 2011 at 18:41

Nope, just one of the good professors at PSU.

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Posted By: Steven Brodziak
Date Posted: April 01 2011 at 23:37

Epignosis wrote:

Tales from Topographic Oceans has four of them.

I like this

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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: April 08 2011 at 04:25

Epignosis wrote:

Tales from Topographic Oceans has four of them.

right!