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Poll Question: How do you feel about Marilyn Manson?
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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Well, I kinda liked what I heard on myspace, so I'll definitely be checking out something.  Thanks guys for the recommendations. 

By the way, this kicks butt on Alice Cooper.  Wink


Don't count Coop out, yet. If you like Manson, check out his "Brutal Planet" release. My favorite album by him, actually.
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He sucks BALLS.



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Well, I kinda liked what I heard on myspace, so I'll definitely be checking out something.  Thanks guys for the recommendations. 

By the way, this kicks butt on Alice Cooper.  Wink
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Points: 3595 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:11
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

A 90s buffoon that makes his dollars from aping Alice Cooper and playing vaguely-distorted "music" for the kiddies. Snooze.


Yeah yeah yeah. All music past 1989 is worthless and  no one should ever play music, again.
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A 90s buffoon that makes his dollars from aping Alice Cooper and playing vaguely-distorted "music" for the kiddies. Snooze.
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Never been a fan.  I have followed his career with some interest, however, since he's from my hometown (nope, never met him), and it's always fun to see a local hit the bigtime.  And it helps that he comes across as a reasonably intelligent guy in interviews.
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Originally posted by Alitare Alitare wrote:

Well, maybe. That is certainly one "Target Audience" But a 15 year old high schooler might not get all of the fantastic wordplay and lyrical content in his peak work. I'd say one of my favorite points to his music would be the lyrical content. That, and the dark atmosphere that his songs conjure. Looking past his image, you can find a lot of solid writing, song craft, skill, and musicianship.


There is no doubt, as I said I DO like his music, at least the older stuff. I just think the message of it all maybe lost on people who don't quite get it all. As you pointed out.
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Ha.... you lurker....
As you can see I have made a return...of sorts. I decided, (about an hour ago LOL) to see how this place was doing.
And I wouldn't want to throw this thread off topic...that would be very un-PA like.....
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Points: 3595 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2009 at 23:31
Well, maybe. That is certainly one "Target Audience" But a 15 year old high schooler might not get all of the fantastic wordplay and lyrical content in his peak work. I'd say one of my favorite points to his music would be the lyrical content. That, and the dark atmosphere that his songs conjure. Looking past his image, you can find a lot of solid writing, song craft, skill, and musicianship.
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Stonebeard! All you still around old bud? I've been wondering if any of my pals were still here.


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Stonebeard! All you still around old bud? I've been wondering if any of my pals were still here.

And as for Manson...he surely takes what he does seriously. But I think his message/appeal/what have you (just everything about him) is geared for the 15 year old, cynical, high schooler...
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Points: 3595 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2009 at 23:00
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

For someone who´s music I´m not particulary excited about I do respect him and I always think it´s funny when people take him too serious


I don't take him seriously. Well, I feel that he is serious about what he does, but I take his message like I take the message of anyone else in music. As a detached belief. As beliefs of character sin stories, stories written bo someone. I suppose complex syntax is in order.

Manson(p) = Manson as a person; Manson (b) = Manson's beliefs; Manson (t) = Manson's existence (read: how he is seen as a complete individual being)

P + B = T

Now, say he writes a rock opera. with characters who believe or feel certain things. Take Adam Kadman for example(The main character of Holy Wood).

Adam Kadman (C) =  Adam Kadman as a character in the story. Adam Kadman (I) = Adam Kadman's beliefs and Adam KAdman (Q) = Adam's existence.

C + I = Q

P + B does not = Q

Nor does C + I directly = T (this might be arguable, but only ol' manson knows) As such, a writer is able to make a character with beliefs that differ from the writer. This leads me to be able to not only take the writers work separately from the writer, but also as a character in a story. What is more interesting? A song saying god isn't real, or a character in a song saying God isn't real?

Yeah, I was really bored and wanted to mess around.
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2009 at 22:47
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Music isn't bad. Well, his old stuff.

Can't say I am a fan though. Havn't listened him in like a year.

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Points: 6336 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2009 at 21:09
For someone who´s music I´m not particulary excited about I do respect him and I always think it´s funny when people take him too serious
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Points: 16111 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:50
yes - if you put it that way
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Points: 17298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:47
You mean, you should buy them in the reverse order of how they were released chronologically?
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Points: 3595 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:35
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

He's one guy I never got around to.  Can anyone recommend an album to start with?


The concept trilogy. Holy Wood is the darkest, Mechanical animals is the brightest (still dark), and most glam inspired. And Antichrist Superstar is A fine meld of the two. That is the order I'd recommend them in, and the order the story supposed to be told in. But in all, those three albums are his lyrical and musical peak.
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If you're ever going to like an album by him then I've always found Mechanical Animals is a good one to start with. It's a little more poppy than the rest, but still manson at the top of his game.
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Points: 17298 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:21
He's one guy I never got around to.  Can anyone recommend an album to start with?
...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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