Marilyn Manson
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Topic: Marilyn Manson
Posted By: Alitare
Subject: Marilyn Manson
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 19:50
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I have just been spending some time listening to some of my favorite Manson albums, and was wondering what the community here thinks of him. Feel free to express any feelings you have. I quite like him for his music, and the conceptual nature of it. Especially Holy Wood, Mechanical Animals, and Antichrist Superstar. Dark and gothic, conceptual and brooding. these are things I love in music. I try to separate the music from the image, and take the lyrics in an almost Rock Opera mindset. |
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 19:53
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Holy Wood and Mechanical Animals FTW!! his new stuff sucks major balls. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 19:56
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King By-Tor wrote:Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 19:57
I agree, sadly. I absolutely adore The concept trilogy, but don't care for anything else. |
Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:03
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Probably one of my least favorite (I use this term loosely) artists of all time. Never saw the big deal. E ------------- 
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:05
Likewise  . But man... he's just trying too hard these days. |
Posted By: Evolutionary Sleeper
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:06
I used to be a fan when I was in high school, course the novelty wore off for me. Can't stand him anymore. Though I still do own Holy Wood. 
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:10
Lyrically, he is stagnating. When his nonconformist and violent lyrics aren't conceptual, it falls flat and feels like no more than a shtick. I also feel he lost his musically glammy edge in favor of a bland industrial metal. Trying too hard to fit into the mold he created for himself with his peak albums. |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:11
Possibly my favorite of all of them. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:21
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He's one guy I never got around to. Can anyone recommend an album to start with?
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:27
| If you're ever going to like an album by him then I've always found Mechanical Animals is a good one to start with. It's a little more poppy than the rest, but still manson at the top of his game. |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:35
The concept trilogy. Holy Wood is the darkest, Mechanical animals is the brightest (still dark), and most glam inspired. And Antichrist Superstar is A fine meld of the two. That is the order I'd recommend them in, and the order the story supposed to be told in. But in all, those three albums are his lyrical and musical peak. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:47
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You mean, you should buy them in the reverse order of how they were released chronologically?
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 20:50
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yes - if you put it that way
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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 21:09
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For someone who´s music I´m not particulary excited about I do respect him and I always think it´s funny when people take him too serious
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 22:35
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Music isn't bad. Well, his old stuff. Can't say I am a fan though. Havn't listened him in like a year. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 22:47
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Dislike. Both reasons.
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 23:00
I don't take him seriously. Well, I feel that he is serious about what he does, but I take his message like I take the message of anyone else in music. As a detached belief. As beliefs of character sin stories, stories written bo someone. I suppose complex syntax is in order. Manson(p) = Manson as a person; Manson (b) = Manson's beliefs; Manson (t) = Manson's existence (read: how he is seen as a complete individual being) P + B = T Now, say he writes a rock opera. with characters who believe or feel certain things. Take Adam Kadman for example(The main character of Holy Wood). Adam Kadman (C) = Adam Kadman as a character in the story. Adam Kadman (I) = Adam Kadman's beliefs and Adam KAdman (Q) = Adam's existence. C + I = Q P + B does not = Q Nor does C + I directly = T (this might be arguable, but only ol' manson knows) As such, a writer is able to make a character with beliefs that differ from the writer. This leads me to be able to not only take the writers work separately from the writer, but also as a character in a story. What is more interesting? A song saying god isn't real, or a character in a song saying God isn't real? Yeah, I was really bored and wanted to mess around. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 23:17
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Stonebeard! All you still around old bud? I've been wondering if any of my pals were still here. And as for Manson...he surely takes what he does seriously. But I think his message/appeal/what have you (just everything about him) is geared for the 15 year old, cynical, high schooler... |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 23:29
Every day, in varying capacities.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 23:31
| Well, maybe. That is certainly one "Target Audience" But a 15 year old high schooler might not get all of the fantastic wordplay and lyrical content in his peak work. I'd say one of my favorite points to his music would be the lyrical content. That, and the dark atmosphere that his songs conjure. Looking past his image, you can find a lot of solid writing, song craft, skill, and musicianship. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 23:32
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Ha.... you lurker.... As you can see I have made a return...of sorts. I decided, (about an hour ago ) to see how this place was doing. And I wouldn't want to throw this thread off topic...that would be very un-PA like..... |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 23:35
There is no doubt, as I said I DO like his music, at least the older stuff. I just think the message of it all maybe lost on people who don't quite get it all. As you pointed out. |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 18:56
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Never been a fan. I have followed his career with some interest, however, since he's from my hometown (nope, never met him), and it's always fun to see a local hit the bigtime. And it helps that he comes across as a reasonably intelligent guy in interviews.
------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:07
| A 90s buffoon that makes his dollars from aping Alice Cooper and playing vaguely-distorted "music" for the kiddies. Snooze. |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:11
Yeah yeah yeah. All music past 1989 is worthless and no one should ever play music, again. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:20
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Well, I kinda liked what I heard on myspace, so I'll definitely be checking out something. Thanks guys for the recommendations. By the way, this kicks butt on Alice Cooper. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:36
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He sucks BALLS.
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 19:40
Don't count Coop out, yet. If you like Manson, check out his "Brutal Planet" release. My favorite album by him, actually. |
Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 21:39
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I can't say I'm a huge fan of MM, but his version of "Personal Jesus" is as good if not better than Depeche Mode's original. I have seen him interviewed and he does appear quite an articulate guy and has done other songs that are not too bad. ------------- 
"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence" - Robert Fripp |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 04 2009 at 21:43
Sorry.....I shouldn't have dissed the Coop, he's got some good tunes. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 12:27
No, nobobody said that, there's plenty good music after 1989 or 1999, but some of us think Marilyn Manson is not one of those cases, just a poser created to sell rebelion to kids who want to be rebels without leaving the comfort of their houses IMHO.
A market product, and not a good one I believe.
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Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 12:36
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Hey, here's a name I haven't heard in a long time. A really funny guy and a gifted pop musician. I loved it how he was on Jay Leno once when Shaggy was the musical act, and the grinning Shaggy gave him an enormous hug after finishing the song. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 12:53
I prefer his earlier Trent Reznor produced albums - Mechanical Animals was good, but didn't have the staying power of Antichrist Superstar. He was great fun to see live, but Bill Bailey has the best quote on that:
(for those not familiar with Brit-speak - a "layby" is a "turnout" or "pullout") ------------- What? |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 13:06
| I had my short fashination with MM around Mechanical Animals and went to see the freakshow when it came to town. Entertaining but certainly not great art IMO. I purchased the successor to Mechanical Animals too but lost interest after that one. The MM albums I own are now packed away in my basement with all the other music I might take out and listen to in ten years time. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 14:18
How does Major Balls feel about that?
 I bet Private Parts is jealous. As is Corporal Punishment.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 14:44
Actually, Walter keeps saying that on every given occasion |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 15:23
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I became acquainted with Marilyn by my ex-girlfriend who was his devotee. I really liked his albums "Holy Wood" and "The Golden Age Of Grotesque".
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 05 2009 at 18:11
If you really liked Holy Wood, chances are, you'd enjoy Antichrist Superstar, too. Mechanical Animals being the more glam and accessible of the three. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 00:55
I dislike him for both his vaudeville and music, I can't stand this guy , he is a total disaster. 
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 00:59
I actually like him for his vaudeville/aesthetics  I'll expand more when it isn't 7 in the morning and I've slept. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 01:59
Why do you feel that way. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 02:39
A little harsh... although one time I saw Alice Cooper, he described MM as his 'disobedient child', which I thought was fair comment. Not a huge MM fan, but have to say, the albums I have I really like & they still get pulled from the racks every now and again - probably seen as his "later work" which apparently therefore "sucks balls" (Hmmm  ), but my favorite of his is 'The Golden Age Of Grotesque' (the whole album is akin to watching 'Cabaret' after drinking a bottle of absinthe - quite a ride).
Brian's got my vote ------------- 
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 02:57
First, his music is for teenage dudes, nothing exciting only good for MTV and this kind of market. Second, he looks like David Bowie (aladdin sane era), and I mean bad and strange, I don't know if he's a dude or anything elese.
Simply I don't like both music and how he looks. And above that is a bad vocalist, really. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 03:11
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http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28771 - Marilyn Manson Now Going Door-to-Door Trying to Shock People ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 03:24
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 03:24
Well, his lyrics are actually quite intelligent. I don't see his music as being for mtv consumption. I mean, three of his albums are rock operas/concept albums. And his poppiest material was part of the story he'd written. Sure, it is a thick and rebellious industrial metal at times, but he is a very diverse musician. And he has a good vocal range (even going into falsetto at times) But, that all doesn't mean you have to like him. |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 03:48
....Hmmm not my style, kind of reminds me of the original bad boy EMO type character. You have to admire his success though as it has lasted longer than most. Now as far as his ex goes....he really messed that up letting her go ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 04:49
| Ohhh yeah sweet little D. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 05:58
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Whatever you think of the man's music, you cannot deny he has an artist's eye for imagery.
As I said earlier though - I think his music's OK too. -------------
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Posted By: progmetalhead
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 06:46
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He gets a ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112" rel="nofollow - http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112 Colt - Admin Team MMA 
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from me.Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 06:59
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Nice one
I'm not considering him for inclusion though...  -------------
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 19:18
Hehehe. One of The Onion's all-time classics.
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 23:53
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Wait, he/she makes music? -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 00:16
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Indeed this androgynous mechanical animal does. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 07:02
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Completely indifferent. I do actually have some in my collection in the form of a couple of tracks on the Lost Highway soundtrack. The interview Michael Moore did with him on Bowling For Columbine was rather interesting, though. Now, NIN is a completely different matter... |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 19:01
 Maybe his early stuff is ok, but beyond that.... total dissapointment
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 20:08
I'd like to see Marilyn collaborate with the Jonas Brothers. 
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 22:30
Anybody remember when he used to manage this band?
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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 22:47
| I've heard of it. ^ |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: May 09 2009 at 01:34
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I actually only dislike him for his music, which I find pretty boring.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 09 2009 at 05:22
one of my daughter's favourite bands, along with scarling. of course. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 09 2009 at 05:31
| I really, really, hate Jack off Jill. I think that's only because I had some girl come up to me and tell me it the most amazing band ever, got me to listen to it and I didn't quite find it to be the best band ever. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 09 2009 at 05:44
I wouldn't go as far as "hate" but I tend to agree - the whole riot-grrl scene appealed much more to girls though. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: May 09 2009 at 07:28
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the track cinammon spider is pretty cool...
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 19 2009 at 06:46
I can't think of better cliché album title ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 19 2009 at 14:24
Student Shoots Himself After Teacher Demanded To Praise Marilyn Mansonhttp://www.dailycomet.com/article/20090518/ARTICLES/905189928 - http://www.dailycomet.com/article/20090518/ARTICLES/905189928 ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 19 2009 at 14:26
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I just saw at CD Universe that a new album is coming out if there are any fans out there.
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Posted By: Sasquamo
Date Posted: May 23 2009 at 01:09
| I don't know his music and from first looks he seems like he's just obnoxiously weird, but I have seen a couple interviews of him and he is actually very articulate and intelligent sounding. |