el böthy wrote: stonebeard wrote: List of things I'm tired of related to Prog Archives (in order): 1. Obnoxious Magma fans 2. Progressive vs. Regressive arguments 3. "Oh this obscure band is my favorite!"   *two weeks later*    "Oh this other obscure band is now my favorite!" people 4. Site n00bs who have their own, stupid, narrow definition of prog 5. People who think anything after ___ date isn't prog 6. People who think Marillion sounds like Genesis 7. Interesting threads dying away while stupid old arguments live on I'm in a pissy mood, so if you're upset, whipe off the sh*t I just threw on you and walk away. And notice, I'm not tired of a genre that belongs on this site. Unless it's Zeuhl. Then I'm really f**king tired of it. I think someone´s got his period

fyi: that doesn't happen to men.

The Crow wrote: warwick wrote: I was raised on Pink Floyd and Genesis. As much as I tried, I can't see how one can like both classical prog and the likes of Opeth and Meshuggah ... I think there are too many bands that don't belong to this site (alas, where are good old days when progarchives was clean of ads and Radiohead?), especially extreme metal! Just being a bit open-minded, I guess... I enjoy hearing Yes's "Close to the Edge" the same as I do with the very hard Meshuggah's "Destroy Erase Improve", or the great Cynic's "Focus". But in the same time, I have goosegumps every time I hear Kitaro's "Silk Road", or some Rachmaninov piano concerts... I listen music, and if I like, I embrace it... And I don't care wich genre it belongs... Death metal, new age, pop, stoner, symphonic, alternative rock, glam, or even prog... If it makes me feel good, It's Ok for me! And sorry, but Prog has changed a lot since the 70's... But some people don't want to see it!

List of things I'm tired of related to Prog Archives (in order):

1. Obnoxious Magma fans
2. Progressive vs. Regressive arguments
3. "Oh this obscure band is my favorite!"   *two weeks later*    "Oh this other obscure band is now my favorite!" people
4. Site n00bs who have their own, stupid, narrow definition of prog
5. People who think anything after ___ date isn't prog
6. People who think Marillion sounds like Genesis
7. Interesting threads dying away while stupid old arguments live on

I'm in a pissy mood, so if you're upset, whipe off the sh*t I just threw on you and walk away.

And notice, I'm not tired of a genre that belongs on this site. Unless it's Zeuhl. Then I'm really f**king tired of it.

Actually if extreme prog is these math rock bands ala Hella or Flying Luttenbergers, I must say that yes, I find that some of them don't belong. Others just as experimental like Throbbing Gristle (not yet included) are also rather difficult to deal with.....

Rocktopus wrote: Mike. Progtolist wanted to know where all these extreme metal discussions where at. I just told him. And maybe the reason it because of the large amount of suggested metal that doesn't belong here, suggested by clueless teens.

Some are clueless yes, which also happens in some non prog metal suggestions. It does not mean that if a band is suggested, it is automatically added.We have to note that before a band is added, it is decided upon by more than 4 specialists. Not just one decides. So before you see a band added here, specially in prog metal, it has been thought of by more than one individual, and the rule is a band gets added when they get the majority of the vote. They don't just pick and choose. And usually, for me, when the group decides that the band belongs to the genre/classification, I agree with them. It all depends on how you trust the team that adds them and  I trust them.

Mike. Progtolist wanted to know where all these extreme metal discussions where at. I just told him.

And maybe the reason it because of the large amount of suggested metal that doesn't belong here, suggested by clueless teens.

Yes, Mike. Or it could also mean that the younger, generally more metal inclined members look for these bands and suggest it to be added.

^I'm not here to solve problems. That was just guidance.

TheProgtologist wrote: Can you please direct me to the thread/threads where all the talk is about these bands that are "choking up the forum"? Because I would really like to participate in some discussion about these great bands.Hardly any of them are ever even reviewed,let alone talk going on about them in the forum.

Try the Suggest New Bands and Artists department.

warwick wrote: I was raised on Pink Floyd and Genesis. As much as I tried, I can't see how one can like both classical prog and the likes of Opeth and Meshuggah ... I think there are too many bands that don't belong to this site (alas, where are good old days when progarchives was clean of ads and Radiohead?), especially extreme metal!

Just being a bit open-minded, I guess... I enjoy hearing Yes's "Close to the Edge" the same as I do with the very hard Meshuggah's "Destroy Erase Improve", or the great Cynic's "Focus". But in the same time, I have goosegumps every time I hear Kitaro's "Silk Road", or some Rachmaninov piano concerts...

I listen music, and if I like, I embrace it... And I don't care wich genre it belongs... Death metal, new age, pop, stoner, symphonic, alternative rock, glam, or even prog... If it makes me feel good, It's Ok for me!

And sorry, but Prog has changed a lot since the 70's... But some people don't want to see it!