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Evans
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:28 |
Forward thinker indeed.. you gave five stars to SFAM and then spent a few hundred pages explaining why it was such a pain in the ass to listen to.. : ) Strange.. but VERY prog.
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micky
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:23 |
damn... I did only give you one... that deserved another... that was my first Bush album... Raff suggested it to me and I picked it up. Enthralling album. Have some clappies..   Reviewing does help but not necessarily essential... we have had some who were promoted with less than 5 reviews... hell I think I only had two or three and they weren't that good. I'm not a reviewer.. but a forward thinker I guess.... though I'd bet my paycheck my sponsor regrets the day he suggested me for promotion hahhaha
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Evans
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:15 |
A clappie from the clappie man himself! Thanks, Micky, i try my best. I should probably get around to it more often if i ever want any title under my name, though, haha! :)
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micky
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 20:01 |
Evans wrote:
Oh, i have only heard Hounds of love and Aerial, but Aerial is truly ... crossover, or whatever it's called nowadays :) Hounds of love isn't void of prog elements either, the second half is at least conceptual in theme, even if less so musically. Haven't heard much else, but it is clear that she is a very artistic person, and as far as i know, she never overdoes it.
Ah, Aerial is the perfect summer album. It's so warm, somehow. Maybe the artwork that goes with it ha something to do with that as well :)
Edit: i just posted a review of "Aerial", and since noone will ever see it due to the new rules discriminating non-collaborators (just kidding... or am i?), i was thinking i'd say it here instead, maybe you could take a look at it? :) I try to do my best with all reviews, and i know i sometimes go too far with the metaphors and all that, but.. well. :) Aerial is a great album and it deserves attention..
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I love Ariel... love that album... and saw your review.. great review 
p0mt3- all is good  Always was with me... you have to be a real asshole to get and stay on my bad side hahhaha
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Evans
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 14:03 |
Oh, i have only heard Hounds of love and Aerial, but Aerial is truly ... crossover, or whatever it's called nowadays :) Hounds of love isn't void of prog elements either, the second half is at least conceptual in theme, even if less so musically. Haven't heard much else, but it is clear that she is a very artistic person, and as far as i know, she never overdoes it.
Ah, Aerial is the perfect summer album. It's so warm, somehow. Maybe the artwork that goes with it ha something to do with that as well :)
Edit: i just posted a review of "Aerial", and since noone will ever see it due to the new rules discriminating non-collaborators (just kidding... or am i?), i was thinking i'd say it here instead, maybe you could take a look at it? :) I try to do my best with all reviews, and i know i sometimes go too far with the metaphors and all that, but.. well. :) Aerial is a great album and it deserves attention..
Edited by Evans - February 08 2008 at 17:48
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Raff
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:57 |
I'd have to listen to the album carefully once again... Now it's been a few days I haven't given it a spin, and with good reason. I've gone back to full-time work, and adjusting to a new schedule is making me very tired in the evenings. When I am so tired, I can't concentrate too much on music, especially when it is as demanding as TMV's. Anyway, I don't remember "Cavalettas" being a bad song, though perhaps a bit too long. Tomorrow I'll give it a proper listen, and report here! Aerial is a fantastic album, and Kate has been one of my musical idols since I was in my early 20s. Micky will try to get her into Xover to keep her good friend Peter Gabriel company.... which I think she highly deserves.
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Evans
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:52 |
Hey Raff, what is your opinion on Cavalettas? It is my pet peeve of the album, along with Askleios.. actually, i don't hold the album in very high regard at all.. ah well. :)
Also, keep spreading the word about Kate Bush's Aerial. I heard you got Micky into it, but i listened to disc 2 again today and i realised that it is simply masterliness. It deserves more attention.
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JLocke
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:48 |
Ah! Now it makes sense, lol.
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Raff
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:20 |
Don't worry at all, Micky is a lot like me... His bark is much worse than his bite, and he's got a heart of gold.  Unfortunately, the medium can lend itself to misunderstandings of every kind - the essential thing is to realise they are nothing but misunderstanding, and that no one is out for anyone else's blood.  As to the 'horrible', well, I told you I do a lot of writing in my work, but I didn't tell you I am a former teacher  ...
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JLocke
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:06 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I am very happy this is ending up in a peaceful, friendly way. You see, P0mt3, I am someone who does a lot of writing for professional reasons, and have learnt the hard way that you can express the same opinion in a number of different ways. I can be as direct and abrasive as Micky is, and even worse (there are lots of people around who would NEVER for a second think I am anywhere near a sweetheart ), but when I write something that is going to appear somewhere - be it a journal, a book, or a website - I try to be as objective as possible. I have never written a one-star review so far, because I don't like demolishing albums, and usually try to find some saving grace in everything I listen to.
However, sometimes giving one star is fully justified. You bought the latest album by a highly praised, modern prog band, with whom you weren't yet familiar, and were badly disappointed. This means your reaction is perfectly understandable - nevertheless, your review came across as extremely virulent, as if the band had hurt you personally. If you use the adjective 'horrible', I think once is enough to convey your meaning - seven times is, in my humble opinion, overdoing things just a little bit  .
That said, I do understand where you're coming from in your response to the album. TMV are definitely not for the faint-hearted, and TBiG is their densest album to date. If you want breathing space, you're not going to get much there - and I do agree with those who wrote that it is perhaps a bit too long. Anyway, I know I want to listen to it again and again, which is always a good sign, even if I don't think it will become my favourite TMV album (that is still De-loused..). There is something about the bandt that captured my attention from the first time I listened to Frances the Mute, and I still believe they are the best modern prog act around. They are young, they have a lot of ideas, and even if TBiG may be considered as a relative failure by someone, I think the best for them is yet to come. |
 Yeah, I realize that seven 'horrible's in a row is a bit much, but since I'm not a pro, I didn't really think anyone would care,  . Hopefully based on my other reviews, however, you can see that when I want to take the time to review something in detail, I do so. I love "De-loused", so it isn't that TMV are bad in my eyes, it's just that they are headed in a direction now that I don't particularly care for.
Anyway, I hope everything is cool with Micky now; don't wanna have bad blood with anyone on the forums, 
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Raff
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 13:00 |
Thanks a lot for the offer!  I'll probably need your advice more than Micky, since I'm a first-timer (I like to call myself a former 'professional old maid'  ). Hopefully the wedding will be soon.. .We've just sent in our petition for a fiancée visa for me, and I hope that by the end of the summer I'll be able to move to the Land of the Free. When that date draws near, we'll tell you, so you can start that thread!  Back IT, I have noticed the drums are rather prominent in the mix, but I have been able to hear the other instruments too. Anyway, I'll pay more attention the next time I'll listen to the album.
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jmcdaniel_ee
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 09:50 |
micky wrote:
she is not my sweeheart.. but my wife to be.... so yes...I do react strongly. If an apology is needed.. I'll give one.. with again.. more unwanted advice... be careful who's toes you step on. There are real people behind these screen names.. with real feelings. There are several people here..who have established close personal relationships with others here. That is the reason this forum is so special.. it isn't simply about the music... it is life. People here come here to be with friends and be safe from the cruel naure of life. Remember that next time you want to step on someone's opinion. If you disagree... watch how you say it.
end of unwanted advice. and again.. back on topic.
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So are we all invited to the wedding?  I expect to hear and exerpt from "And You And I" or something. (I actually requested it to be played in the background at my reception.) We definitely at least need to start a wedding thread for you guys, so we can wish you luck, and I can give advice on what NOT to do in a marriage.
But, to contribute to the topic at hand (and repeat myself): All I seem to hear is vocals and drums! It drives me crazy trying to hear the other instruments. Are my ears going crazy? Do others agree, or is my taste just off? I find it incredibly odd that the album could get released like that--as if Cedric and the new drummer were the only people who attended the mix sessions. "Yeah, turn me up some more in the mix. Turn us both up...yeah...yeah, that sounds good."
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barney63
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 04:22 |
Pretty accessible I think -it's got some tunes - and made me want to listen again unlike the last one, I forget the title at the moment. But a change of pace would make it easier for me to get through the whole album in one shot, as it can be tiring going 100mph all the time.
I'm I the only person who thinks they're a bit of a poor-man's Ephel Duath...? Copyists....?
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Raff
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Posted: February 08 2008 at 03:59 |
I am very happy this is ending up in a peaceful, friendly way. You see, P0mt3, I am someone who does a lot of writing for professional reasons, and have learnt the hard way that you can express the same opinion in a number of different ways. I can be as direct and abrasive as Micky is, and even worse (there are lots of people around who would NEVER for a second think I am anywhere near a sweetheart  ), but when I write something that is going to appear somewhere - be it a journal, a book, or a website - I try to be as objective as possible. I have never written a one-star review so far, because I don't like demolishing albums, and usually try to find some saving grace in everything I listen to.
However, sometimes giving one star is fully justified. You bought the latest album by a highly praised, modern prog band, with whom you weren't yet familiar, and were badly disappointed. This means your reaction is perfectly understandable - nevertheless, your review came across as extremely virulent, as if the band had hurt you personally. If you use the adjective 'horrible', I think once is enough to convey your meaning - seven times is, in my humble opinion, overdoing things just a little bit  .
That said, I do understand where you're coming from in your response to the album. TMV are definitely not for the faint-hearted, and TBiG is their densest album to date. If you want breathing space, you're not going to get much there - and I do agree with those who wrote that it is perhaps a bit too long. Anyway, I know I want to listen to it again and again, which is always a good sign, even if I don't think it will become my favourite TMV album (that is still De-loused..). There is something about the bandt that captured my attention from the first time I listened to Frances the Mute, and I still believe they are the best modern prog act around. They are young, they have a lot of ideas, and even if TBiG may be considered as a relative failure by someone, I think the best for them is yet to come.
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micky
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 19:32 |
damn... got sidetracked before I got to listen closely to that...
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heyitsthatguy
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 19:31 |
The only problem I see with Cavalettas is there's that one riff that repeats too often- I like the fadeouts though, they're cool
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micky
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 17:29 |
Evans wrote:
But she IS a sweetheart though, isn't she? And you are very right, micky, it is a great forum, with unusually friendly people (i've frequented a few forums, and none is as friendly as PA). We should try to keep it that way. : )
And to stay on topic, i ask those who LIKE the album in general, what are your feelings about Cavalettas? Isn't it strange that such a long song, whoch could easily have been a centerpiece, just becomes such an irritating mish mash?
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oh she is... a sweetheart  as far as the album.. have only listened to it twice. I had a real good general impression of it. as far as Cavalettas... it isn't really that strange... I think the best example of that happening is VDGG's Plague of Lighthouse Keepers. It can be quite easy for such a long song, if not well done.. to become sexactly that.. an irratating mish mash. It isn't automatically good if it is long. I am going to put that one and listen to that one specifically again though.
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Evans
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 17:12 |
But she IS a sweetheart though, isn't she? And you are very right, micky, it is a great forum, with unusually friendly people (i've frequented a few forums, and none is as friendly as PA). We should try to keep it that way. : ) And to stay on topic, i ask those who LIKE the album in general, what are your feelings about Cavalettas? Isn't it strange that such a long song, whoch could easily have been a centerpiece, just becomes such an irritating mish mash?
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 17:08 |
There is a fine art to giving a negative review that most do not have the ability to pull off. It is hard to be negative without offending the artists (which keep in mind artists do have access to the internet as well) and more likely their fans. And although Micky likes to stomp out DT, PT, and Genesis fans, for the most part the attempt is to try and keep things on this forum and site in a positive light instead of a negative light. My advice is that if you don't want to be flamed for making negative comments or negative reviews but you want to have your opinion heard then frame your comments constructively. I haven't read your review and I know that the "insulting" post was unintentional, but just something to keep in mind.
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micky
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Posted: February 07 2008 at 17:07 |
she is not my sweeheart.. but my wife to be.... so yes...I do react strongly. If an apology is needed.. I'll give one.. with again.. more unwanted advice... be careful who's toes you step on. There are real people behind these screen names.. with real feelings. There are several people here..who have established close personal relationships with others here. That is the reason this forum is so special.. it isn't simply about the music... it is life. People here come here to be with friends and be safe from the cruel naure of life. Remember that next time you want to step on someone's opinion. If you disagree... watch how you say it.
end of unwanted advice. and again.. back on topic.
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