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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:51 |
Nothing wrong with mixing alternative and prog. Nothing wrong with
mixing any musical styles. Isn't that where prog came from in the first
place? Remember, prog is a contraction of the word 'progressive'
- to progress, to move forward. If you don't fuse, invent, meld,
experiment then you stand still and atrophy and what you get is ......
slavish repetition.
Put it this way, if there had never been any fusing of alternative and
prog where would we have go the excellent Porcupine Tree.
I rest my case, indeed, I rest my entire set of luggage on this one... 
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:50 |
Punk has nothing to do with Prog. It's certainly not the exact opposite. Punk emerged as an opposition to conformity, civilized conduct etc.. It's as much in opposition to disco and popular music as to prog.
And although some alternative rock bands have punk roots or influences, these are only a small part of all bands which could be labeled alternative or independent.
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:44 |
 Syzygy wrote:
s1ipp3ry wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
s1ipp3ry wrote:
In My Opinion Prog & Alternative Rock don`t mix and heres why ....
Alternative Rock is born out of whatever intelligence can be found in Punk Rock , Punk being the genre that tried to KILL prog in the 70`s (but failed) rubbish. Punk was a reaction against acts like the Stones, Who, Rod Stewart etc becoming distant from their roots and playing overpriced stadium gigs. Punks were either indifferent to prog (the big symphonic acts) or actually liked some of it - Johnny Rotten was a fan of VDGG/Hammill and Krautrock, the Damned were Soft Machine fans and were produced by Nick Mason and so on is a good reason why Prog and Alternative rock should never be mentioned in the same sentence , as a mark of respect to our elite form of art (Prog) and those Progressive Titans who got screwed by commerce around that time ELP, Yes, Genesis, Tull and Pink Floyd all enjoyed some of their biggest chart successes in 1977-78. I'm sure they felt extremely exploited! ( I have been trying to get you guys to see the light on this subject for awhile now, I hope this topic makes you think about it or perhaps give some interesting thought and ideas to perhaps Enlighten me.
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I'd rather be stuck on a desert island with Doolittle by The Pixies, just about any Pere Ubu album or Husker Du's Warehouse Songs and Stories than with Tales From Topographic Oceans, Pictures At An Exhibition or The Wall. Prog produced its share of duds, and the alternative scene continues to throw up genuinely inventive and creative artists who may have no place on the archive but who can be enjoyed by anybody with an open mind.
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No to the best of my knowledge punk was started in direct retaliation to prog and I have read and heard this from many reliable sources  BTW tales from topographic oceans is a classic ... it takes time to get into but its worth it  |
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Music archives mostly .. documentaries ... so on .. the thing is its always the same story .. punk came along to destroy prog .. and when the story is the same from many different sources the integrity of whom is saying it I normally believe as a rule
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:43 |
s1ipp3ry wrote:
Syzygy wrote:
s1ipp3ry wrote:
In My Opinion Prog & Alternative Rock don`t mix and heres why ....
Alternative Rock is born out of whatever intelligence can be found in Punk Rock , Punk being the genre that tried to KILL prog in the 70`s (but failed) rubbish. Punk was a reaction against acts like the Stones, Who, Rod Stewart etc becoming distant from their roots and playing overpriced stadium gigs. Punks were either indifferent to prog (the big symphonic acts) or actually liked some of it - Johnny Rotten was a fan of VDGG/Hammill and Krautrock, the Damned were Soft Machine fans and were produced by Nick Mason and so on is a good reason why Prog and Alternative rock should never be mentioned in the same sentence , as a mark of respect to our elite form of art (Prog) and those Progressive Titans who got screwed by commerce around that time ELP, Yes, Genesis, Tull and Pink Floyd all enjoyed some of their biggest chart successes in 1977-78. I'm sure they felt extremely exploited! ( I have been trying to get you guys to see the light on this subject for awhile now, I hope this topic makes you think about it or perhaps give some interesting thought and ideas to perhaps Enlighten me.
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I'd rather be stuck on a desert island with Doolittle by The Pixies, just about any Pere Ubu album or Husker Du's Warehouse Songs and Stories than with Tales From Topographic Oceans, Pictures At An Exhibition or The Wall. Prog produced its share of duds, and the alternative scene continues to throw up genuinely inventive and creative artists who may have no place on the archive but who can be enjoyed by anybody with an open mind.
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No to the best of my knowledge punk was started in direct retaliation to prog and I have read and heard this from many reliable sources BTW tales from topographic oceans is a classic ... it takes time to get into but its worth it |
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:41 |
Syzygy wrote:
s1ipp3ry wrote:
In My Opinion Prog & Alternative Rock don`t mix and heres why ....
Alternative Rock is born out of whatever intelligence can be found in Punk Rock , Punk being the genre that tried to KILL prog in the 70`s (but failed) rubbish. Punk was a reaction against acts like the Stones, Who, Rod Stewart etc becoming distant from their roots and playing overpriced stadium gigs. Punks were either indifferent to prog (the big symphonic acts) or actually liked some of it - Johnny Rotten was a fan of VDGG/Hammill and Krautrock, the Damned were Soft Machine fans and were produced by Nick Mason and so on is a good reason why Prog and Alternative rock should never be mentioned in the same sentence , as a mark of respect to our elite form of art (Prog) and those Progressive Titans who got screwed by commerce around that time ELP, Yes, Genesis, Tull and Pink Floyd all enjoyed some of their biggest chart successes in 1977-78. I'm sure they felt extremely exploited! ( I have been trying to get you guys to see the light on this subject for awhile now, I hope this topic makes you think about it or perhaps give some interesting thought and ideas to perhaps Enlighten me.
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I'd rather be stuck on a desert island with Doolittle by The Pixies, just about any Pere Ubu album or Husker Du's Warehouse Songs and Stories than with Tales From Topographic Oceans, Pictures At An Exhibition or The Wall. Prog produced its share of duds, and the alternative scene continues to throw up genuinely inventive and creative artists who may have no place on the archive but who can be enjoyed by anybody with an open mind. |
No to the best of my knowledge punk was started in direct retaliation to prog and I have read and heard this from many reliable sources BTW tales from topographic oceans is a classic ... it takes time to get into but its worth it
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:36 |
s1ipp3ry wrote:
In My Opinion Prog & Alternative Rock don`t mix and heres why ....
Alternative Rock is born out of whatever intelligence can be found in Punk Rock , Punk being the genre that tried to KILL prog in the 70`s (but failed) rubbish. Punk was a reaction against acts like the Stones, Who, Rod Stewart etc becoming distant from their roots and playing overpriced stadium gigs. Punks were either indifferent to prog (the big symphonic acts) or actually liked some of it - Johnny Rotten was a fan of VDGG/Hammill and Krautrock, the Damned were Soft Machine fans and were produced by Nick Mason and so on is a good reason why Prog and Alternative rock should never be mentioned in the same sentence , as a mark of respect to our elite form of art (Prog) and those Progressive Titans who got screwed by commerce around that time ELP, Yes, Genesis, Tull and Pink Floyd all enjoyed some of their biggest chart successes in 1977-78. I'm sure they felt extremely exploited! ( I have been trying to get you guys to see the light on this subject for awhile now, I hope this topic makes you think about it or perhaps give some interesting thought and ideas to perhaps Enlighten me.
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I'd rather be stuck on a desert island with Doolittle by The Pixies, just about any Pere Ubu album or Husker Du's Warehouse Songs and Stories than with Tales From Topographic Oceans, Pictures At An Exhibition or The Wall. Prog produced its share of duds, and the alternative scene continues to throw up genuinely inventive and creative artists who may have no place on the archive but who can be enjoyed by anybody with an open mind.
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:30 |
SlipperFink wrote:
Poxx wrote:
Alternative rock is a term used to describe the music
of american rock bands, who for whatever reason think they are better
than the mtv top 10 list. They do not have the instrumental, nor
compositional skills to make anything worthwhile, yet they are too cool
to go money machine straight away.
When they do go money machine, they can still acclaim
alternativeness, due to the drummer being bald, and the final track on
their newest album featuring 4 notes from a violin. |
LMFBO.
Poxx.
What a mean, mean, series of nasty things you have to say.
Ahh me.
Well.... bad news, kids.
"Emo" is where all the best new prog is going to be coming from.
Piss and moan and shout and what-have-you....
No matter.
It's going to happen.
It's happening already.
SM. |
I`m sure that means something ? but what I just don`t know 
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:28 |
Poxx wrote:
Alternative rock is a term used to describe the music
of american rock bands, who for whatever reason think they are better
than the mtv top 10 list. They do not have the instrumental, nor
compositional skills to make anything worthwhile, yet they are too cool
to go money machine straight away.
When they do go money machine, they can still acclaim
alternativeness, due to the drummer being bald, and the final track on
their newest album featuring 4 notes from a violin. |
LMFBO.
Poxx.
What a mean, mean, series of nasty things you have to say.
Ahh me.
Well.... bad news, kids.
"Emo" is where all the best new prog is going to be coming from.
Piss and moan and shout and what-have-you....
No matter.
It's going to happen.
It's happening already.
SM.
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:28 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Poxx wrote:
Alternative rock is a term used to describe the music of american rock bands, who for whatever reason think they are better than the mtv top 10 list. They do not have the instrumental, nor compositional skills to make anything worthwhile, yet they are too cool to go money machine straight away.
When they do go money machine, they can still acclaim alternativeness, due to the drummer being bald, and the final track on their newest album featuring 4 notes from a violin.
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sure ... and all prog bands are absolutely top notch! |
No not all prog bands are top notch, but they try hard
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:24 |
Poxx wrote:
Alternative rock is a term used to describe the music of american rock bands, who for whatever reason think they are better than the mtv top 10 list. They do not have the instrumental, nor compositional skills to make anything worthwhile, yet they are too cool to go money machine straight away.
When they do go money machine, they can still acclaim alternativeness, due to the drummer being bald, and the final track on their newest album featuring 4 notes from a violin.
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sure ... and all prog bands are absolutely top notch!
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:18 |
Alternative rock is a term used to describe the music of american rock bands, who for whatever reason think they are better than the mtv top 10 list. They do not have the instrumental, nor compositional skills to make anything worthwhile, yet they are too cool to go money machine straight away.
When they do go money machine, they can still acclaim alternativeness, due to the drummer being bald, and the final track on their newest album featuring 4 notes from a violin.
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 09:11 |
sl1pp3ry: And what's your reason again of not using my poll to discuss this? 
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 08:51 |
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I hate the phrase "Alternative Rock". Alternative my arse.
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Posted: January 25 2006 at 08:50 |
In My Opinion Prog & Alternative Rock don`t mix and heres why ....
Alternative Rock is born out of whatever intelligence can be found in Punk Rock , Punk being the genre that tried to KILL prog in the 70`s (but failed) is a good reason why Prog and Alternative rock should never be mentioned in the same sentence , as a mark of respect to our ELITE form of art (Prog) and those Progressive Titans who got screwed by commerce around that time .... I have been trying to get you guys to see the light on this subject for awhile now, I hope this topic makes you think about it or perhaps give some interesting thought and ideas to perhaps Enlighten me.
After all I wouldn`t mix my finest Scotch whisky with some cheap no name brand Cola would you ? because thats what you are doing when you mix Prog with Alternative rock you are making the Prog lesser quality, oh sure art is about expression, thats granted ... but is a fart art ? 
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