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micky 
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 Posted: January 01 2006 at 13:53 |
 Catholic Flame wrote:
The true father of Prog Metal is Iron Butterfly.
You can't tell me that In-a-gadda-da-vida isn't the starting point. 18
minutes of long keyboard, guitar and drum solos. Shifting and changing
meters and moods. It is the blueprint for everything that comes after!
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hmmm interesting I guess I will hahahahh . sounds like like what you
have described is a psychedelic jam session hahahah. I've heard
it of course and long extended jam sessions like that are more
indicative of blues based rock and roll which is what exactly I believe
prog was trying to get away from, proto-prog perhaps, but
metal?...... more a psychedelic classic than metal.
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Catholic Flame
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Posted: January 01 2006 at 13:13 |
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The true father of Prog Metal is Iron Butterfly. You can't tell me that In-a-gadda-da-vida isn't the starting point. 18 minutes of long keyboard, guitar and drum solos. Shifting and changing meters and moods. It is the blueprint for everything that comes after!
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micky
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Posted: January 01 2006 at 13:05 |
King of Loss wrote:
Uriah Heep, Prog Metal? That's funnier than calling Symphony X "Prog" metal... 
Prog Metal nowadays sounds about 10000000000000000000 x more different than Uriah Sheep |
nowadays..... what is your point? I believe we are talking about
the founding fathers of prog metal. I'd hope, if that stuff
is to be considered prog, that it would share some part of what prog is
about, which is about not sitting on your ass and expanding the
boundries and moving forward.
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King of Loss
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Posted: January 01 2006 at 13:01 |
Uriah Heep, Prog Metal? That's funnier than calling Symphony X "Prog" metal...
Prog Metal nowadays sounds about 10000000000000000000 x more different than Uriah Sheep
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micky
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Posted: January 01 2006 at 12:57 |
ChadFromCanada wrote:
micky wrote:
have seen Uriah Heep mentioned as a founding father of prog metal. Agree or disagree?
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That's a reasonable statement. A lot of their stuff is "heavy metal".
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what's more heavy metal than the occult, sci-fi, D&D themes
that both groups shared. Add that Uriah Heep were prog......
hense prog metal. Add in Uriah Heep predated Rush.... hense a
father of prog metal. More so than Deep Purple who had the heavy nature
but not the defining characteristic IMO of metal which are dark
brooding themes and lyrics. More so than Sabbath... who sure as
hell were metal but without a shred of prog in them IMO. King
Crimson... close but no cigar, I just don't equate them at all with
metal, not in the early to mid 70's. Heaviness =/ metal
alone. Just my two cents.
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Mikerinos
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Posted: January 01 2006 at 01:02 |
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Deep Purple are the only metal band on that list, and they definately had some progressive aspects so they win easily.
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The Miracle
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Posted: January 01 2006 at 00:56 |
Since the question says "Which of this bands do you like the most?", I voted Yes 
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King of Loss
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 13:41 |
Out of that list, King Crimson of course, but where is the all mighty Rush?
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 13:37 |
Out of the bands in your list,definitely King Crimson.
Including those other bands in a poll that states..."fathers of prog metal" is laughable.
EDIT-I totally missed Deep Purple in the list of choices...gotta change my vote to DP.
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 13:29 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I think that Rush are the Fathers of Prog Metal. Early King Crimson are heavy at times, but their songwriting is not very similar to common prog metal structures ... combine Rush with Judas Priest, and you get an idea of Proto Prog Metal. |
I agree albums like A Farewell to Kings and Moving Pictures have a lot of influence on Progressive Metal. I could easily see a band like Dream Theater writing a song very similar to YYZ. Primus even played YYZ live, well more like half of it, but hey they tried.
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ChadFromCanada
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 13:17 |
micky wrote:
have seen Uriah Heep mentioned as a founding father of prog metal. Agree or disagree?
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That's a reasonable statement. A lot of their stuff is "heavy metal".
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 13:03 |
21st Century Schizoid Man... it is the root of Metal 
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chamberry
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 12:52 |
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IMO Rush, Deep Purple, King Crimson have influenced prog metal from a prog side of view
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 12:28 |
Of that list, Deep Purple, obviously.
However, bands like Judas Priest, (Dio) Rainbow, (Dio) Black Sabbath, Diamond Head and Metallica (not to mention a host of NWOBHM bands for whom progressive was just a part of the whole thing) did far more to progress metal as a genre before Queensryche came along and claimed the mantle.
P.S. ...is that a touch of Marillion I hear on "The Warning"? "Punch, punch, punch..." 
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el böthy
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 12:22 |
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It has to be King Crimson....and I dont see Yes, Gentle Giant or Genesis anywhere near metal...maybe Jethro Tull!
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The Rock
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 12:08 |
The thing is,I find Deep Purple and Uriah Heep to be very similar,yet they both are classified under different sub-genres.Heep=Art Rock and DP=Proto prog.A bit misleading.
As for the question,the roots of prog-metal goes back to the early 70's:Heep,DP,Zeppelin,UFO,Rainbow,Whitesnake,Sabbath,Mountai n,Thin Lizzy,and yes,the 72-74 Crimson.
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micky
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 11:58 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
I think that Rush are the Fathers of Prog Metal.
Early King Crimson are heavy at times, but their songwriting is not
very similar to common prog metal structures ... combine Rush with
Judas Priest, and you get an idea of Proto Prog Metal. |
isn't it true that Rush's style was influenced by what Uriah Heep had
been doing years earlier? Rush may have popularized it, but were
they the fathers of it?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 11:55 |
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I think that Rush are the Fathers of Prog Metal. Early King Crimson are heavy at times, but their songwriting is not very similar to common prog metal structures ... combine Rush with Judas Priest, and you get an idea of Proto Prog Metal.
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micky
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 11:53 |
Ed_The_Dead wrote:
micky wrote:
have seen Uriah Heep mentioned as a founding father of prog metal. Agree or disagree? |
I see fathers as those that actually created the genre... So why aren't Uriah Heep classified under prog metal? |
a mistake, perhaps? Why isn't ELO included on this site...
anywhere... including even under the 'big umbrella' of prog
related. Just because they aren't 'classified' as prog metal,
doesn't mean that they weren't, or may have been, a father of
it. Some bands are rather hard to classify, Gentle Giant for
example. Symphonic?... but where else to put them.
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Nazgul
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Posted: December 31 2005 at 11:52 |
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